Israel has seen emigration double since the attacks of October 7, 2023, and the subsequent war in Gaza. While some are choosing to leave for security reasons, among those choosing exile are activists weary of war and feeling increasingly isolated amid their country’s illiberal drift.

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    Unfortunately many of them will face discrimination in Europe, and part of it will be from people who think that dunking on diaspora jews is somehow pro-palestinian. The opposite is true: any antisemitic microaggression sends the message that Zionists are right and only in Israel can Jews be truly safe. Instead, making sure these people are safe, happy and incentivized to stay put in the diaspora and never go back to being colonizers must be part of pro-palestinian praxis. This is why the fight against antisemitism in Europe is intrinsically linked with the fight for Palestinian liberation: prove the basic premise of Zionism wrong!

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    This is how mainstream media should report on Israel, by showing what a fascistic hellhole it is that even its own citizen flee because there’s no room for wrongthink.
    At least they have the option unlike the poor souls being eradicated in Gaza…

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      Fair questions but a lot of them are gonna end up in Europe and Jewish Israelis are by demographics mostly European settlers, either from Western Europe or (post-)communist Europe. They are not indigenous to that region, and it would be just playing in the hands of Zionist propaganda to pretend that they would be. Now that shit hits the fan they rediscover their origins and I think that’s relevant for us to know.

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        Akshually, around 45% of Israeli jews are of Middle Eastern and North African descent, around the same as those from Europe

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          Yes I’ve read that same Wikipedia article. It’s a fair point but Zionism as a movement was started by European Jews and every prime minister ever since the establishment of the settler colony has been Ashkenazi. It’s designed by and for European Jews, the rest are just pawns to keep up the demographics. In that sense, even if they’re technically exactly the same or even if they’d be slightly more, it wouldn’t change much about the fact that European Jews are THE dominant group there.

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            Ok but if you believe that they constitute the real OG hARdCorE zionist gangstas, then why would you argue that they would be the ones leaving??

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              I don’t know what you’re on about here or what this has to with beliefs exactly, I just corrected your "correction“

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                My correction on how most jewish Israelis today aren´t exactly (descendants of) European settlers? How did your post ´correct´ that? You only argued the other jews don´t really count as you consider them pawns lol

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      By the article a lot of them go to Greece. The two interviewed people went to Greece and Italy.

      Many Israeli citizens have grandparents who grew up in Europe, or who fled to the US from Europe and then went to Israel.

      Netanyahus original family name is Mileikowsky, his fathers family is from Warsaw and his father was an important figure in the Zionist movement. His mothers family went from Lithuania to the US and then to Palestine during the last years of the Ottoman empire.

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        Netanyahus original family name is Mileikowsky, his fathers family is from Warsaw and his father was an important figure in the Zionist movement. His mothers family went from Lithuania to the US and then to Palestine during the last years of the Ottoman empire.

        Thank you for this explanation. Now it’s clear why this article is posted in the “Europe” community. (/s)

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          There is a strong cultural and personal interconnection. Many parts of European politics and Israeli politics, see Israel as an outpost of “Europe” in West Asia.

          People already mentioned Eurovision. When it comes to sports, Israel also participates in European leagues in many sports such as football, basketball, handball, marathon and many more.

          As more people will flee from Israel, most of them will either go to EU countries or the US.

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            Even if we assume for a moment that this is a justification for posting the article here, what has this to do with Netanyahus original family and the Ottoman empire in you initial comment?

            This is just another pseudo-intellectual gibberish.

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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

              The partition of the Ottoman Empire (30 October 1918 – 1 November 1922) was a geopolitical event that occurred after World War I and the occupation of Constantinople by British, French, and Italian troops in November 1918.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

              The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British Government in 1917 during the First World War announcing its support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population.

              The family history of Netanyahu is a peak example of Israel being a political project mostly by Europeans, or European Americans. It is the “European” answer to the problem of “European” Antisemitism and many aspects of the logic that bound Antisemitism and Zionism at the time of Netanyahus parents persist to this day.

              You can neither look at the history of Israel nor at today’s Israel without looking at Europe (and the US) as well.

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                Once upon a time in East Africa the homo sapiens migrated to the other world areas. So we post everything in ‘Africa’ now?

                If this is an explanation, you can eliminate the communities completely, because everything is connected with everything.

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                  “once upon a time” vs. “within the lifetime of a significant part of the population or their parents”.

                  If we where to turn that argument around, you would also have to argue that anything that happened since idk. the 90s or so should just be ignored and not seen as relevant anymore, no matter how much it ties in with how the world is currently.

                  As i have explained before, the strong interconnection between Israel and mainland Europe is ongoing and it will have strong implications for the future of both. So the past, present and future are deeply connected.

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      Maybe OP was thinking of the Eurovision Song Contest kind of Europe

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      Does posting to a European community require the content to be relevant exclusively to Europe?

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          So if it’s relevant to Europeans but also others, it shouldn’t be posted?

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            It should be relevant for Europe. Doesn’t matter who else it’s relevant for.