• LdyMeow@sh.itjust.works
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    “Last month, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency delayed plans to tighten ozone pollution standards until after the 2024 presidential election.”

    Huzzah! More political BS playing games with the planet and all our lives.

    We’re so doomed. A coworker asked if I was interested in kids and I said I would feel bad bringing a child into this mess.

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      Ground level ozone and the ozone hole are two different issues. The delayed EPA regulations would be limiting ozone produced. At ground level, ozone has various health hazards. The ozone hole is from ozone depleting substances reaching high altitude in the environment and destroying naturally occurring ozone. That high elevation ozone blocks UV light from the sun, and is protective for those of us who dislike skin cancer it what not.

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        Reading the second article I see what you mean. Still, no political momentum to correct course is annoying, though it does make a strange addition at the bottom of the article. They could have linked all manner of different protections that are being delayed if there are more.

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          Probably one of those times I need to lament the current state of journalism that that was included. I’d argue the ozone layer is one where there is global political momentum with an example of some recent mystery emissions such as this article. That said this article we were already discussing seems to bring up some other mechanisms for the hole enlarging beyond the usual ozone depleting substances.

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      That’s exactly why I got a vasectomy. If it really comes down to it adopting is the better choice since those kids are already stuck existing so might as well just try to make the world slight less miserable for them

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        Fertility rates are already below replacement. Africa will probably also get there within our lifetimes, so there will be nowhere to get new people from

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          We don’t need more people. Yes, we built a stupid economic system that expects constant growth, but we don’t need that system, either. When world population drops under a billion, let me know and I might change my mind.

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      This has nothing to do with the ozone layer in the stratosphere, but pollution in cities and industrial areas.

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      Honestly, it just seems like this shit’ll never stop and no one gives a fuck in Washington. Everyone’s too busy playing politics

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      That quote is technically true, but based on the article they link, it doesn’t sound to me like the delay and the election are related.

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        Except the second article does mention ‘it avoids a fight during an election yeah with industry and republicans’ but then later looks like they are trying to say that’s not at all why and want to take time. I don’t know, sorta seems like the election played a part in the decision

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        Okay, like china? India? Calm down. The US has a huge chunk of the co2 amount so it’s kind of important. Plus the article talks about it?

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      Well, zero chance of House Republicans even letting it come to a vote.

      It blows my mind seeing people with little kids. Like, WTF is wrong with them?

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      This affects all life on Earth, not just humans. Yes, life on Earth as a whole will likely continue on, but it negatively affects all life regardless.

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        Yup. Lots of life will die because of humans. But in the end, the eradication of humans is the right path for a more stable planet.

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            It’s gonna kill everything. Then, it’s gonna reboot without humans. Eventually, after a short million years or so, the earth will be back on track until another species gets too “smart” and destroys itself… ))<>((

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      Me too. I’ve been carrying it around in my head as “the time we listened to scientists, and almost everyone worked together on some short term pain for worldwide long term gain”. I was even hoping we might do something like that again.

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        There is some speculation that the unusual behavior of the ozone layer in 2023 is a result of the Tongan underwater volcano eruption in January 2022.

        The immense amount of water vapor that was injected into the atmosphere likely just started reaching the south polar region after the end of the 2022 ozone hole, Antje said.

        The water vapor could have led to a heightened formation of polar stratospheric clouds, allowing chlorofluorocarbons to react and accelerate ozone depletion.

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        Sorry to break it to you, we stopped using CFCs because a cheaper alternative came along. That it happened to be less suicidal was a happy coincidence.

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    The last paragraph is completely irrelevant, as it has nothing to do with the ozone layer. You do not want ozone in the troposphere, but you do want it in the stratosphere.

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    I’m sitting here in the southern hemisphere wondering at what point we’ll no longer be be able to go outside unprotected.

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        I was hoping when the world got too hot then Antarctica would become livable, but I might need to rethink my retirement plans.

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          Antarctica is still the expected mass migration target for the 23rd century, ozone hole or not.

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            I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I’ve read that when places become more temperate because of climate change, they’re still not very livable because there’s no soil capable of supporting crops.

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              It takes decades for the soil to get invaded by bacteria, grasses, shrubs, trees… but eventually they will get there. With a little human help, it can get done even faster.

              The warming process is blazing fast on geological scales, but for example sea levels are not expected to reach the top of the Statue of Liberty for at least another 500 years, so on a human scale it’s more than enough time to build whole cities, generate fertile top soil, or to organize scuba trips to the 9/11 memorial and put warning signs at sub tunnel entrances.

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              Antarctica is also not a nice destination, because it’s constant night for half a year and day for another half.

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      I think that point was like 1990. After that there’s been enough excess UV that you should have been using sunscreen basically all the time.

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      We shrunk it and it was as good as done once everyone stopped using those gases.

      Over the last few years satellites have picked up greatly increasing emissions of them from China. Hence it’s opening up again.

      Oh and before any hexchud wants to say this is fake news or whatever:

      We show that emissions from eastern mainland China are 7.0 ± 3.0 (±1 standard deviation) gigagrams per year higher in 2014–2017 than in 2008–2012, and that the increase in emissions arises primarily around the northeastern provinces of Shandong and Hebei. This increase accounts for a substantial fraction (at least 40 to 60 per cent) of the global rise in CFC-11 emissions. We find no evidence for a significant increase in CFC-11 emissions from any other eastern Asian countries or other regions of the world where there are available data for the detection of regional emissions.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1193-4

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        I’m curious what the actual source is. CFCs are practically obsolete and there is no point in producing them when HCFCs are cheap and hydrocarbon refrigerants are practically free. You’d think China would be using R290 and R600a in any new builds since they’re so cost sensitive. You can even straight swap R290 to replace R22 if they want to use old compressors or something.

        I’m wondering if this is a pile of old refrigeration equipment that was dumped and shipped to China, and is now being scrapped in an irresponsible manner or just corroding and leaking. I’m sure there’s loads of R11/12/22 out there, as R12 refrigerators are still regularly dropped off at our local scrap pile here in Canada.

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          Well the article says it’s mostly caused by an underwater volcano’s emission that happened last year, that’s just reaching now the south pole, and concentrating there atm because of how winds work due to Earth’s rotation.

          Everybody is blaming anything they can, and not even bothering reading the news. Pretty on par with the internet.

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        Thanks for posting the finding links. I hadn’t heard this before and it gives me a good place to start reading. Crazy that we know this is bad for the earth but we keep doing it. I wrote that sentence and mid way through realized how naive it sounds 😖

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          Yes, they definitely only let the Nazi scientists work on that. Because there are definitely enough Nazi scientists to do that.

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            Ah yes, the cabal of Nazi holdouts spending their time on climate change research. Everyone knows about them!

            /S obviously

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      We actually did fix it. The whole world came together and banned those gases. It was a masterpiece of global cooperation.

      Unfortunately they’ve started being detected again in growing quantities in recent years.

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    So it seems that this hole in the ozone is a yearly occurrence. CFCs left over from the old days get caught in a yearly wind and poke a hole above antartica. They’re not really sure why it’s bigger or why it happened earlier than previous years, but they believe it has something to do with an underwater volcano eruption from last year. I think that’s the jist of the article.

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    Man… people really don’t like reading articles so much as they like speculating about headlines.

    And, while I feel like I should copy/paste the important bits, isn’t it just as easy for people to click the link and read the whole two minute read? Should I paste the full article and bold the important bits? Why should I have to do the work for people who honestly do not care about more than comment karma.

    I appreciate the article OP. I wasn’t aware of the nature of the ozone hole. I also found the linked article that was published in January to be insightful.

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    Geez…and here i was thinking “I’m doing my part in helping the environment” by using public transport instead of driving, and using paper straws…