• rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Fun fact, the Nicine Creed exists because this question was a legitimate crisis of Christianity. The council of Nicaea determined that Jesus was not created by God but rather “begotten”, meaning he was equivalent to God but not the same as God, and has existed for all eternity as part of God

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      Don’t got why people have all kind of reactions to this when it’s literally the most basic knowledge of Christianity, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man and that he had to die “so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but have eternal life” because he was literally the only person born without the original sin and didn’t sin at all, at the same time he always existed as part of Trinity (the verb/the son) and then “the verb became flesh” How mfs live their lives in countries of christian majority and are surprised by this?

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        Honestly if Christianity is not part of your life, why would you know that? I grew up a Christian but “the verb” is very doctrinally specific wording that I’ve never heard before. I think you’re really overestimating the influence that someone else’s religion would have on you

        • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world
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          Honestly if Christianity is not part of your life, why would you know that?

          Agreed. What i find annoying is people seeding hatred about christianity like it’s their full-time job, but then not taking the time to read how any of the religion works. They’re the ones who should know how the cited “begotten, not made” factoid works.

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            That’s obviously wrong. I don’t need to read Mein Kampf to know that nazism is a bad idea. Sure, it helps, but it’s not necessary.

            Similarly, I don’t need to read the entire corpus of christian theology to understand that the bible is mostly fiction and that christofascists are wrong and awful people (don’t get me wrong, those are two separate facts - I don’t think all christians are awful).

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        that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man

        That makes about as much sense as Trump saying that prices were down by 500%.

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        What’s so hard to understand and what causes surprise is that, how the fuck does someone existed all the eternity, but got incarnated, and isn’t the same as God, but is 100% God, and had to basically commit suicide because he wanted to save humanity, it’s everything so contradictory that I truly don’t know how someone can believe in that not ironically

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          I’m not trying to convirt anyone bcs i’m not even christian, i’m just saying it’s the very premise of christianity, like how an eternal fight between good and evil is the premise of gnosticism, the same way the Samsara is a premise to buddhism, and it is to be expected people from christian majoritiy countries would know the basics of their hegemonic religion.

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        No, Mary was the only one born without sin, the immaculate conception. Jesus was from the virgin birth, but I think it was just assumed he was without sin. The more you think about any of this the less sense it makes.

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          I think we both put it in a bad way, i for not mentioning Mary and you for excluding Jesus from being born without sin

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        Most Christian countries are not really Christian and filled with people who are Agnostic, Atheist, or just “spiritual” (Which basically means nothing/agnostic)

        I even meet “Christians” that know literally nothing about the Bible; I found out recently that my grandmother who is always talking about God, is literally illiterate and knows maybe the story of the Virgin Mary and that’s it.

        Also, the 100% God and 100% Man thing is a debate that has churches quarreling to this day.

        From a logical point of view it’s nonsensical and from a faith point of view it’s up to interpretation depending on what the stance of your denomination is–which in my experience, most people dont even know to which they belong.

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        Don’t get why people have all kind of reactions to this when it’s literally the most basic knowledge of Christianity, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man

        The reactions are because people are learning that the council’s conclusions were controversial. Before the council it was not a dominant view. A large portion of early church fathers (and mothers) would be considered heretics by Nicene Christians.

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    Once you’ve fucked the Holy Ghost you know where the magic happens. Definitely not with the village carpenter.

  • Cum_Rag@fedinsfw.app
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    Sorry Joseph I have to cuck you with your virgin wife. I swear this isn’t some fantasy of mine

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      With some sprinkles of other religions traditions to convert everyone easly