I really don’t like how “consumer-friendly” means “GUI that resembles Windows” in the minds of so many people.
Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don’t want to learn a new thing.
You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.
Well, it definitely works when shifting people politically.
Coming soon: Mockrosoft Overton Windows™
Then add adverts into that ecosystem and center their program menu. Ooh! Then change their right menus! They’d love that! Or, maybe they won’t, but whatever.
Windows wasn’t first, Xerox was
Xerox did so much for modern computing. If only people knew.
The company was run by morons so “Xerox” deserves being synonymous with “company run by morons”. But the actual Xerox employees who invented the basic GUI deserve credit for being the great inventors they were. Unfortunately I have no fucking idea who those actual people were.
Take a look at this post. It covers some names and stories about contributions that make modern interfaces what they are today.
Very cool, thanks.
But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it’s KDE
I like the terminal but don’t remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That’s my main issue with it. (I’m open to suggestions if anyone has any)
I highly recommend zsh. It takes a moment to setup initially, but you can use oh-my-zsh to just skip that part and use one of the many, many presets, and it supports plugins, of which there are many. It gives you tab support for so many popular commands, you will never need to remember them, and it has a lot of small improvements that makes your terminal life a breath. For example, if you do cd tab in bash, it will give you a list of subdirrectories. If you do the same in zsh, it will give you that list and a cursor that you can use to navigate said list, so instead of typing the dir, you can do cd tab tab tab enter
For someone that doesn’t like the cli, I’d recommend fish instead of that as it just works with no setup.
I have very little experience with fish, but by my first experience zsh was way better at handling wildcard matching, and for me it’s half of the stuff I do. You are trying to open a file and all you remember is that it has some substring in the name probably, you just type some of it, double tab, and you have all the files that match. At the time I was trying it, fish couldn’t do it.
Lots of terminal commands come with tab-completion out of the box (start typing a command, hit tab to autocomplete, hit tab twice to bring up a list of available options), or have tab completion scripts you can install after the fact.
Lacking tab completion, any worthwhile terminal commands will at least support a
-h/--helpflag that will print out a help menu summarizing the different options, or you can open up the man pages to see even more detailed documentation withman [whatever terminal command]. If the terminal command doesn’t have either of those, I’d recommend against using it.
I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I’m actually enjoying it.
Things I like so far:
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An actual modern email client that isn’t web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.
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Same thing for a calendar application.
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Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.
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Nice notes app that I don’t need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.
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Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.
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Unix. Unix matters a lot.
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Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.
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Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.
Things I hate:
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The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I’m getting used.
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Updates take forever, it’s insane.
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Can’t easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven’t figured this one out.
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Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.
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Can’t get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.
Honestly, it isn’t as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I’m good.
I use macOS as my daily driver, though still use Linux sometimes. When I dual-booted macOS with Linux, I immediately fell in love. I don’t have a Mac, but my next computer will be a MacBook. Of course there are things I don’t like, but I will not write it down right now, maybe edit this comment later. I love the virtual desktops tough, I always press the green button on Safari to maximize, and put it on a new desktop, so I can easily switch with a 4-finger swipe, and I don’t have to overlay another window or Safari when I am switching apps.
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For me Windows GUI is definition of not user friendly GUI.
Okay and what’s your definition of user friendly.
Anything that doesn’t make me feel like I have to fight with the GUI.
I tried Plasma, it was for only half an hour…
Yeah wow why don’t people like stuff like the compaq book and shit, it was damn impressive!
The only GUI library you need is ncurses.
There’s no escape from ANSII escape characters!
The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven’t seen what it replaced.
Also friendliness doesn’t require a Fisher Price interface.
Let me say that I really like “Fisher Price interface”
Its called xp
This genuinely made me laugh hahaha
When I first saw XP was when I stopped using windows. So bad.
You should amend
You haven’t seen what it replaced
With
You aren’t used to it
Unix was meant to be much friendlier than the mainframe systems that wer prevalent at the time and which wer horrible to use without a lot of training (or even with it). By contrast, Unix commands were simple, self documenting. Anyone could use it.
I’m aware but it’s not unfriendly today
People are just used to DOS
Well, today it’s arguably more advanced, interface wise, than the other systems since they keep copying stuff from the X11 front ends.
All the current GUIs are basically the same Once you’ve seen a couple WIMP interfaces, you’ve seen them all.
I don’t even see the symbols anymore
That’s defintiely the wrong title.
No, it’s not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.
It’s Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.
If you are able to use those buttons in the terminal, it wouldn’t be a terminal.
What? The person you’re replying to doesn’t have the best argument in the world so I’m not exactly siding with them, but also a lot of terminals very much do support mouse input. I’m not sure which all ones it is, but I know the gnome terminal does and I’m pretty sure Konsole does as well. Obviously not every program you run in the terminal is going to support it but off the top of my head I remember vim does as well as I’m pretty sure dialog
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When did these hallucinations first start?
Father, I can not click the terminal.
Just put MOUSE.SYS in your CONFIG.SYS or run MOUSE.EXE from your AUTOEXEC.BAT
… wait, where am I again?
Don’t forget
loadhigh(lh) and his friendDEVICEHIGHand check withmemthe memory layout if anything more can be sqeezed into some unused block lying around…
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How do people use Windows without CLI?
It’s way harder to GUI-only than Linux
Menus upon menus upon menus!
deluding yourself that having to edit registry values and write scripts all the time is definitely interfacing 100% graphically
btopbe likeIs this actually a thing?
Prepare for your mind to be blown: https://github.com/charmbracelet/bubbles
You have no idea how many scripts I’m going to build with that…
Ranger
Ranger is also incidentally the name of my dog.
A pupper so swell they named an OS after him!
An icon
Tell Ranger I said hi, and that he needs a treat.
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There’s TUIFI Manager
twin, directfb2, and gum, pytermgui too.
edit: huh, gum and bubbles are from the same guy. But bubbles is for Go, gum for shell.
These are awesome!
Midnight Commander has been around for ages. It’s a straight ripoff/homage to the original Norton Commander, a full-fledged file manager and a godsend on week-kneed machines (like old netbooks).
Yes. k9s comes to my mind.
I’m the kind of guy who will sometomes automate his laziness. I once wrote a simple gui that was basically this meme.
So I don’t remember the program or even the distro but there is 100% a “Paint” clone that’s all terminal symbols.
bb showed us what the terminal can really do
I find ASCII incredibly readable honestly. I use pixel fonts too, but I love the sharp blocky characters it’s so much easier on the eyes than whatever windows or iOS has going on by default
mh mh, but I’m afraid ASCII isn’t what you suppose it is
Not really relevant, but as a kid I though the “II” part of ASCII was roman numerals. I was all the way to graduate school before my prof literally on the floor laughing because I had said “asskey two” set me straight.
I still didn’t learned how to comprehend dwarf fortress native ASCII
Speaking of a terminal displaying symbols, I still really miss slrn. I’d love a Lemmy client with that interface.
500GB? Teeny drive
Man I’m just poor
I run 128gb on my laptop lol
Wait, how? I have zero games installed on my 1TB laptop and still only have like 300GB free.
Not everyone has a 500 GB yiff collection. Some people keep their yiff in the cloud.
HAHAHA.
Did you try removing the French language pack?
I want to get 2-4 TB because of torrents
@olafurp @AlecSadler What kind of data hoader are you?!
I mean, if you can afford that sure, but I find it unnecesary.
Also, how do you plan to backup that much storage? just curious about the last one, I always find it hard to backup more than 100 GB of mediaJellyfin hoarder type. My dream setup is something like 16TB bay with a Raspberri pi
@olafurp I have 1TB SSD storage on my rpi and I delete series once I have watched them, otherwise I eventually run out of storage if I don’t. Well, good luck, but maybe before upgrading your storage you should upgrade your home server, a rpi is powerfull but you will eventually face problems related to I/O and CPU limitations
If you’re not encoding and there’s only like one or two users at a time, it’s plenty. Now if you want to encode on the fly to a myriad of formats and serve your entire extended family and friends, then it will choke. But people rarely do that.
If 2-4 TB makes you think “data hoarder”, you don’t even want to know what the self-proclaimed data hoarders get up to. 10-20 TB drives aren’t insanely expensive, and some of us have several of them.
I have no movies, photos, or video games. I do have a lot of work-related things like cloned repos and stuff like Visual Studio and SQL Server.
You want hoarder…my friend has over 120 TB in rack mount storage in his garage across multiple systems and NAS devices. It’s insane.
Have you seen the size of modern AAA games? Typical AAA games is like 100GB these days. Heck, Call of Duty is like 400GB.
I have a 512 GB (nvme SSD), with a few games, and I have 423 GB free (according to
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what’s wrong with a terminal displaying symbols?
Remind me of flappy bird in finder: https://eieio.games/nonsense/game-11-flappy-bird-finder/
Consumer friendly?
Linux is just as user friendly. It’s just that you can’t compare the experience you already have on something completely different
