• Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
    1017·
    1 year ago

    I really don’t like how “consumer-friendly” means “GUI that resembles Windows” in the minds of so many people.

    • monkeyman512@lemmy.worldEnglish
      45·
      1 year ago

      Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don’t want to learn a new thing.

      • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml
        191·
        1 year ago

        You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.

        • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘@infosec.pubEnglish
          71·
          1 year ago

          Then add adverts into that ecosystem and center their program menu. Ooh! Then change their right menus! They’d love that! Or, maybe they won’t, but whatever.

        • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          The company was run by morons so “Xerox” deserves being synonymous with “company run by morons”. But the actual Xerox employees who invented the basic GUI deserve credit for being the great inventors they were. Unfortunately I have no fucking idea who those actual people were.

      • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
        82·
        1 year ago

        But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it’s KDE

    • monsterpiece42@reddthat.com
      71·
      1 year ago

      I like the terminal but don’t remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That’s my main issue with it. (I’m open to suggestions if anyone has any)

      • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
        31·
        1 year ago

        I highly recommend zsh. It takes a moment to setup initially, but you can use oh-my-zsh to just skip that part and use one of the many, many presets, and it supports plugins, of which there are many. It gives you tab support for so many popular commands, you will never need to remember them, and it has a lot of small improvements that makes your terminal life a breath. For example, if you do cd tab in bash, it will give you a list of subdirrectories. If you do the same in zsh, it will give you that list and a cursor that you can use to navigate said list, so instead of typing the dir, you can do cd tab tab tab enter

          • Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de
            3·
            1 year ago

            I have very little experience with fish, but by my first experience zsh was way better at handling wildcard matching, and for me it’s half of the stuff I do. You are trying to open a file and all you remember is that it has some substring in the name probably, you just type some of it, double tab, and you have all the files that match. At the time I was trying it, fish couldn’t do it.

      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        1 year ago

        Lots of terminal commands come with tab-completion out of the box (start typing a command, hit tab to autocomplete, hit tab twice to bring up a list of available options), or have tab completion scripts you can install after the fact.

        Lacking tab completion, any worthwhile terminal commands will at least support a -h/--help flag that will print out a help menu summarizing the different options, or you can open up the man pages to see even more detailed documentation with man [whatever terminal command]. If the terminal command doesn’t have either of those, I’d recommend against using it.

    • platypus_plumba@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I’m actually enjoying it.

      Things I like so far:

      • An actual modern email client that isn’t web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.

      • Same thing for a calendar application.

      • Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.

      • Nice notes app that I don’t need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.

      • Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.

      • Unix. Unix matters a lot.

      • Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.

      • Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.

      Things I hate:

      • The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I’m getting used.

      • Updates take forever, it’s insane.

      • Can’t easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven’t figured this one out.

      • Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.

      • Can’t get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.

      Honestly, it isn’t as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I’m good.

      • Octopus@thelemmy.club
        1·
        1 year ago

        I use macOS as my daily driver, though still use Linux sometimes. When I dual-booted macOS with Linux, I immediately fell in love. I don’t have a Mac, but my next computer will be a MacBook. Of course there are things I don’t like, but I will not write it down right now, maybe edit this comment later. I love the virtual desktops tough, I always press the green button on Safari to maximize, and put it on a new desktop, so I can easily switch with a 4-finger swipe, and I don’t have to overlay another window or Safari when I am switching apps.

    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu
      2·
      1 year ago

      Yeah wow why don’t people like stuff like the compaq book and shit, it was damn impressive!

  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
    597·
    1 year ago

    The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven’t seen what it replaced.

    Also friendliness doesn’t require a Fisher Price interface.

    • TiredInsomniacOP
      332·
      1 year ago

      Let me say that I really like “Fisher Price interface”

      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
        6·
        1 year ago

        Unix was meant to be much friendlier than the mainframe systems that wer prevalent at the time and which wer horrible to use without a lot of training (or even with it). By contrast, Unix commands were simple, self documenting. Anyone could use it.

          • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Well, today it’s arguably more advanced, interface wise, than the other systems since they keep copying stuff from the X11 front ends.

            All the current GUIs are basically the same Once you’ve seen a couple WIMP interfaces, you’ve seen them all.

  • Ooops@kbin.social
    292·
    1 year ago

    That’s defintiely the wrong title.

    No, it’s not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.

    It’s Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.

      • TurboWafflz@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        What? The person you’re replying to doesn’t have the best argument in the world so I’m not exactly siding with them, but also a lot of terminals very much do support mouse input. I’m not sure which all ones it is, but I know the gnome terminal does and I’m pretty sure Konsole does as well. Obviously not every program you run in the terminal is going to support it but off the top of my head I remember vim does as well as I’m pretty sure dialog

  • kttnpunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
    112·
    1 year ago

    I find ASCII incredibly readable honestly. I use pixel fonts too, but I love the sharp blocky characters it’s so much easier on the eyes than whatever windows or iOS has going on by default

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Not really relevant, but as a kid I though the “II” part of ASCII was roman numerals. I was all the way to graduate school before my prof literally on the floor laughing because I had said “asskey two” set me straight.

      • AlecSadler@lemmy.worldEnglish
        62·
        1 year ago

        Wait, how? I have zero games installed on my 1TB laptop and still only have like 300GB free.

              • guskikalola :linux:@social.vivaldi.net
                21·
                1 year ago

                @olafurp I have 1TB SSD storage on my rpi and I delete series once I have watched them, otherwise I eventually run out of storage if I don’t. Well, good luck, but maybe before upgrading your storage you should upgrade your home server, a rpi is powerfull but you will eventually face problems related to I/O and CPU limitations

                • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  If you’re not encoding and there’s only like one or two users at a time, it’s plenty. Now if you want to encode on the fly to a myriad of formats and serve your entire extended family and friends, then it will choke. But people rarely do that.

            • CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              2·
              1 year ago

              If 2-4 TB makes you think “data hoarder”, you don’t even want to know what the self-proclaimed data hoarders get up to. 10-20 TB drives aren’t insanely expensive, and some of us have several of them.

            • AlecSadler@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              I have no movies, photos, or video games. I do have a lot of work-related things like cloned repos and stuff like Visual Studio and SQL Server.

              You want hoarder…my friend has over 120 TB in rack mount storage in his garage across multiple systems and NAS devices. It’s insane.

            • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
              1·
              1 year ago

              Have you seen the size of modern AAA games? Typical AAA games is like 100GB these days. Heck, Call of Duty is like 400GB.

  • LovePoson@lemmy.world
    2·
    1 year ago

    Linux is just as user friendly. It’s just that you can’t compare the experience you already have on something completely different