So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she’s actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?
Well, she is 21. That’s just not a lot of time to shake out all your brainworms. And often people go down one path for a while before realizing it’s connected to something else and it’s a while before they start to see the shape of the maze. Took me til… 26? 27? To fully break free from my USian programming and that was more the start of a journey than the end of one.
Hopefully she’ll do better than I will but she’s too young to write off yet. If she keeps on this she’ll figure out that climate change, Palestine, proxy wars, all of it leads back to DC, and behind DC is fascism. If we’re lucky she’ll even drag other people along while she does it.
I’ll also say; Palestine is a much easier issue to understand the large scale dynamics of than weird parliamentary politics in other countries. Really grokking what’s happening in Ukraine requires a great deal of historical background of the 20th century, plus digging all the way back through the post USSR history of Russia, Ukraine, Putin, Shock Doctrine, the OUN-B, all of it.
Hopefully she’ll get better on these things.
She’s supports Ukraine because she blames Russia for the invasion and the ecocide.
What’s the ecocide angle? I haven’t heard about that.
This is the point when i start to seriously doubt her, because Ukraine comitted:
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Ecocide along the front lines, by mass usage of depleted uranium and cluster mines
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Another one by blowing up the Kakhovka dam
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Officially a huge one by blowing up Nordstream, and you cannot even blame this on war (ofc we all know USA did it, but she probably should believe official version? i don’t remember if she ever commented on that)
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Potentially a nuclear ecocide when they bombed Zaporozhia plant several times. They planned to capture Kursk nuclear plant, and called for nuclear strikes on Russia.
So even without all the context of nazism and imperialism and taking on a flat value she should at least bothside the war from ecological point of view but she isn’t, she’s supporting the side which does way more ecological destruction. And added context don’t work for Ukraine side also.
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My guess is that she is still surrounded by the same people that started her foray into the public eye. They are a bunch of euro socdems that are good on some issues but horrible on most, especially when it comes to countries that are enemies of the USA/West (Russia, China, DPRK, Iran etc…) Until I see her appear with someone like Prashad, I’m not gonna see her as some serious political figure.
I feel bad for her because of the pressure that is put on her at a young age.
for real. at 21 my takes were so hot they would have ignited the atmosphere and killed all life on the planet, if
- there had been twitter
- anyone gave a shit what I thought
Word. She’s been right under the media’s guns for a long time now.
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She is trying to be good, but misses A LOT of stuff. Still good for her age, at least 99% of people would have turned into complete grifters if they were in her shoes.
Also, it is really hard to see evil from within, we all at least slightly empathize with our own region even if it isn’t deserved.
Absolutely, at 21 I was an insufferable gamer lib, she’s in a much better spot
Damn, I was such a lib until like 25. Against the Iraq war and other CLEAR stupidity, but a lib on all the less directly obvious stuff.
Bruh, you were getting on a good track, what happened?
Reminder:
this is why Chinese political memes are so much better than western ones.
Yet I’m too dumb to understand them. How do you read this?
Edit: took me long enough but I understood. “Supports” is not about the countries but people supporting countries
Because it was made by a tankie with poor translation skills.
Please provide the approved non tankie translation
This seems very on brand for her tbh, did people really think she went full Marxist Leninst because she mentioned imperialism a few times?
Maybe not full ML but at least solidly antiimperialist, yes.
Eh… she’s protesting the more right wing part of the government winning an election. Seems fine to me.
Russia is useful for destabilizing the Western dominated world order, but is definitely not a “friend” of the left.
Edit: (gonna leave my comment here, because I earned this)
Woof, fucked a hornets nest on this one didn’t I?
My intent, ultimately wrongheaded as I may be, was to wonder why we care about Greta Thunberg taking a side in this. I wasn’t aware she was more than a minor celebrity based on climate change stuff and has enough… I don’t know… influence to draw more outside support for this attempt at a color revolution. This feels likes something for The Dunk Tank and not News.
Sure, she made some negative statements about US imperialism, but that’s pretty low hanging fruit. Its the easiest thing in the world to do when there’s a flag to identify who is doing what. But can completely understand why it might be much harder to see what’s likely going on when the flags are the Georgian flag and the Russian flag, especially when you’re in your early 20’s.
She’s participating in literal colour revolution.
There are a lot of people that think like this. I don’t know why people are surprised. My friend dated a Georgian woman who is very left wing in the states and Palestine, but supports these protests, supports Ukraine. She just doesn’t like Putin.
I’m not very surprised, i still remembered that part about Ukraine, posting that as informational if someone forgot because of that thread.
This is, essentially, a liberal position.
