@fediverse What type of social media do you feel is lacking most in the fediverse?
To elaborate, there are a lot of different types of social media already on the fediverse such as microblogs, regular blogs, image sharing, link sharing and video sharing.
Personally, I’d love to see a gaming-focused social media platform on the fediverse.
@ch0ccyra1n I personally miss an alternative to iMDB
I feel this in my soul.
There has been other websites that have little bits of data like the actors who are involved, but nothing comes close to being as comprehensive as iMDB.
A less messy and equally as comprehensive version of IMDB would be fantastic. I’m not sure what that would look like exactly; instance of something vs a full blown federated platform of its own… But would be cools either way.
for me imdb is useful for checking ratings and rating. would love to rate stuff that isnt on an amazon project
Agree!
@ch0ccyra1n @fediverse Great topic.
A big thing that’s lacking at the moment is not so much new platforms, but dedicated instances using the existing Fediverse platforms.
A great example of what I mean is something like Urbanists.video. It’s a PeerTube instance dedicated to videos about urban planning, cycling, and transport.
We need more dedicated instances like that for more special interest communities.
Just imagine a PeerTube and LemmyBB instance dedicated to baking. Or Buddhism. Or the global Armenian diaspora. Or folk music. Or quilt makers. Or charity fundraisers. Or particular social issues. Or high school principals. Or a particular university. Or independent short films. Or netball. Or watercolour artists.
The more dedicated communities like that exist, the stronger the Fediverse ecosystem is as a whole.
A federated #forum software. But most likely there are a couple in the works. There’s The Pavilion cooperative working on a plugin for #Discourse and some time ago a #Flarum maintainer told me they are working on adding #ActivityPub support too. And there’s #LemmyBB which has forum-like aspects.
You made me learn about LemmyBB, interesting project
@ch0ccyra1n something for organising events and groups would be nice. I think that’s probably the only useful feature of Facebook.
This already exists: https://github.com/framasoft/mobilizon
@dave @ch0ccyra1n Friendica can do these things.
@dave are you looking for something like Friendica?
@ch0ccyra1n@petrescatraian @dave @ch0ccyra1n it seems that Friendi.ca has ActivityPub enabled on their wordpress site.
@petrescatraian @dave @ch0ccyra1n
A non php implementation of anything zot6 based would be nice
@remcoboerma What’s wrong with PHP? 😁 I’m not that much of a techie
+1 on this. As a techie, what IS wrong with php?
@PeterPoopshit @petrescatraian
* String concatenation using a “.” character (instead of a “+” like everyone else)
* Namespaces using a backslash as path separator (“\” is for escaping!)
* The whole idea of running an interpreter on every page request.
* Untyped variablesJust to name a few things on top of my head.
String concatenation with
+is evil. Well-designed languages (Lua, for example, among many others—I’m not calling PHP well-designed!) doesn’t do this.Why?
Because
+, in every other context is commutative, but suddenly, in the case of concatenation, it is not. This is an unnecessary cognitive burden for no material gain.Concatenation can be accomplished by juxtaposition (e.g. SNOBOL4, Rexx, much of the C family tree), by
..(Lua), by.(Perl, PHP), by||(PL/I, Rexx again), by&(Ada, some BASIC dialects), etc. without this added cognitive burden of overloading+for no good reason.I’ve never bought this argument. It really doesn’t take much brain power to figure out that if you are dealing with strings, the left side is going to be on the left and the right side will be on the right. That’s incredibly intuitive logic.
I would offer up a different reason that neither should be used. Format strings do the trick nicely and allow you to start including literals, convert other types to strings, etc. as needed.
@dave @remcoboerma @petrescatraian @ch0ccyra1n IME, the language is full of footguns. It’s possible to write good code in PHP, and I don’t doubt that many people do, but it’s difficult for beginners to figure out the right way to do things. It doesn’t help that many tutorials teach outdated, insecure ways of doing things.
@petrescatraian @dave @ch0ccyra1n
Just a matter of preference. I hack python, not php. Since I haven’t found a zot library yet, and it’s a too big a job to write one myself, I can’t hack on zot. And I think it *might* be better than activitypub.
@remcoboerma
I see. That makes sense 😁
@dave do you know that firefox wrongly state that your pleroma instance is a “deceptive site” ?
i saw this crap happen to others, don’t remember why
Chrome too.
@ch0ccyra1n @fediverse Perhaps it already exists in some way, but I would like it if for example public or official web pages could easily connect their RSS update functionality to the Fediverse, so that I can follow a web page of for example my municipality, and also comment and engage in the Fediverse in relationship to public institutions.
Even better if Fediverse servers could treat any RSS/Atom feed as a “degraded” ActivityPub actor and let users subscribe, boosts and comment posts. We would have de facto a comment platform for everything that has a RSS/Atom feed.
You can’t boost, comment and vote on a RSS post, since AP sends those activities to the origin server.
But subscribing could work, Lemmy would implement a RSS reader basically.
isn’t the origin server messaged just to provide counters and notifications to OP?
I don’t exactly know. Sorry
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@post @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse That would be quite a thing!
@post @carl @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse
Think we should call it “entry-level” actor or something like that tho. 😁Degraded sounds it once where top-level but now its wearing off or something.
@me @ch0ccyra1n @carl @fediverse
Yes, mine was a reference to the concept of graceful degradation:
https://www.w3.org/wiki/Graceful_degradation_versus_progressive_enhancement
A good metaphor to be used for UI/UX could be Fediverse users as friends in a room commenting TV shows/news that are RSS/Atom feeds: friends can hear each others’ comments but TV is just a one-way communication medium.
@post @me @fediverse That was indeed a good metaphor. I think that kind of interaction in the Fediverse would be very interesting to see. Cultural institutions, civic environments, public actors and so forth being able to use their ordinary web to tell of their activities, but where the choice to engage is on the receiving end.
And we wouldn’t have comments split across multiple unofficial RSS->Fediverse bots as it is now.
Bots connecting different platforms are a waste of energy (and therefore have an environmental impact) when we can instead have open protocols.
@post @me @fediverse Good point too!
@post @ch0ccyra1n @carl @fediverse
Ah thanks didn’t know “gracefull degradation” but reminds me of other IT alignment processes in which a customer (me) asked for a “slim/thin” service level instead of a full blown SLA.
But going to use this one instead 👌👌
@Post @Carl Heath @ch0ccyra1n :ins: :she_her: :vim: :trans: :lesb: :polyam: @Fediverse RSS and Atom only work in one direction. You cannot subscribe to a blog or a news site via RSS and Atom and then send comments. There is no back channel, full stop.
If this was possible, you could be absolutely certain that at least #Friendica and #Hubzilla would have had this very feature implemented since long before Mastodon was even launched. But they don’t, although they federate with just about everything that moves otherwise.
@jupiter_rowland @fediverse I see, and realize the complexity. Given this, it would be awesome with that kind of connection, some kind of tool that could take any web page and make a two way connection in the style of RSS. Something easy to install or connect to a web, and provide interaction.
@Carl Heath @Fediverse That’d require changes to both sides, both whichever Fediverse project you’re using and whichever site with an RSS feed you want to interact with.
You will never be able to use Mastodon to comment on a post on a blog with a backend that has last change at some point in the 2010s or the 2000s. The blog doesn’t even have a back channel in any shape or form. It’d have to pull a WordPress and install a proper ActivityPub connector.
Even Friendica or Hubzilla devs would have to take ONE blog and hackney themselves directly into the backend of that one particular blog, directly into the SQL database. Much like Friendica established federation with Diaspora* back in the day when Diaspora* had nothing even resembling an API. They had to reverse-engineer the Diaspora* protocol and crack the encryption. It took literal months. And when they were done, the connection was established by latching directly onto Diaspora*'s database with no actual interface at all. It was akin to connecting a piece of out-board hardware to a computer using a drill and a soldering iron.
At least, Diaspora* was a whole network. Here I’m talking about ONE (1) website. And when they’re done, they’ll have to move on to the next one. And so forth.
@carl @ch0ccyra1n There are Wordpress plugins that allow websites to be followed as ActivityPub accounts.
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Image boards could be added to the fediverse. Whether they should be is another question.
@ch0ccyra1n @fediverse There’s mstdn.games. Admin is @britt!
@ch0ccyra1n @fediverse video streaming. Yess there is peertube. Only works if you run it from own server
@redegelde @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse
And there’s @owncast
@smallcircles @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse @owncast not what i mean. As teacher i capture the moment with phone an Youtube to stream live.
@redegelde @smallcircles @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse @owncast
fyi there’s an android app called larix broadcaster that allows you to livestream to peertube directly from your phone.@dave @ch0ccyra1n @owncast @fediverse @smallcircles so. Think this would be own hosted
@dave @ch0ccyra1n @owncast @fediverse @smallcircles thanks. But all peertube instances does not give confirmation mail. Or does not accept new users
@redegelde @ch0ccyra1n @owncast @fediverse @smallcircles
I want to say that a raspberry pi or similar low power computer with yunohost installed is more than capable of self hosting peertube on the cheap.A recent update on mine has broken something though, so I can’t vouch for how easy it is these days. It should be possible to have your own instance set up with a few clicks though.
As long as your internet connection is fast enough to stream the video, it does the job without you having to pay for hosting.
@dave @ch0ccyra1n @owncast @fediverse @smallcircles hmzz good idea
@smallcircles @dave @owncast @redegelde @ch0ccyra1n diode.zone is open.
@anders @fediverse @smallcircles @dave @owncast @ch0ccyra1n Thank you indeed. No awaiting moderator approval
@smallcircles @dave @owncast @redegelde @ch0ccyra1n youre welcome. another good thing about this instance is that there is no space limit as far as i remember
@ch0ccyra1n
@fediverse
Better blogging engines@federico3 @ch0ccyra1n @fediverse
You have seen writefreely and plume?Wish it was possible to use existing Hugo / Eleventy blog and somehow add federation to it. It feels like using a whole separate one makes it less worthwhile (and less customizable)
What would you expect the federation part would do? If it’s just posting to Mastodon an rss bot will do.
I don’t have a mastodon account, and making a mastodon account or instance for this purpose is not the experience I would like. But I understand this is the path of least resistance at the moment, but I wish there was some sort of service that can publish my blog to the fediverse like WriteFreely and Plume do.
And that’s what @helge has created with his project https://codeberg.org/helge/longhorn built upon #bovine
I haven’t tried it yet, but it seems promising, just like bovine itself.
@cyclohexane
Longhorn does even more. If you just want to post blog posts automatically, there is an rss service for that. It monitors your blogs rss feed and posts an announcement/full article on the fediverse.Let me see where I stored a bookmark…
@cyclohexane
Found it, it’s https://mastofeed.org/
(thanks to @redegelde for bringing that one up)Beware of the warnings at https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2022/12/15/rss-to-mastodon/ about said service! I couldn’t find any details about who you’re giving permissions to.
Given scripts/webhook tricks are probably more than enough if you’re into a little digital tinkering
something like bumble, tinder, etc. would work wonderfully when federated i belive!
A Discord equivalent.
