edit: having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don’t believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems. Although I am a capitalist now, being confronted by socialists has made me aware of capitalisms deep flaws. When I considered myself a communist (17 year old me) I thought opposing views really changed my mind. So that’s the ideologically diversity I am talking about.

I love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can’t seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.

  • tracyspcy@lemmy.ml
    4·
    2 years ago

    Just tell me why lemmy.ml should necessarily be ideologically diverse? To be in permanent chaos and useless fights? I think there is already plenty of such platforms…

    • Jerald@lemmy.mlOP
      04·
      2 years ago

      You might be right, I do understand your point. Healthy disagreement is not alive anymore. But I think having a community dedicated to letists only can be a bad idea in that it can make sure your beliefs are not questioned. I have thought myself as a socialist and I have thought myself as a anarcho-capitalist, I don’t believe in either anymore. I think if radical views go unchecked they might cause problems.

      • 🏳️‍🌈 Gay Legend 🏳️‍🌈@lemmy.ml
        41·
        2 years ago

        You’re missing an essential part: Marxists are the only ones who can view society in a scientific light. It’s like being frustrated that everyone on a community knows so much about a topic, it doesn’t really make sense to be frustrated about. What, when you say something dumb are people too happy and fast to correct you? If you want to feel smart start interacting with YouTube comments, if you want to learn then maybe understand what the actual diverse viewpoints here understand about the world.

  • MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml
    3·
    2 years ago

    A community of leftist privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers

    I know you already mentioned this, but… should an online car community be concerned about the lack of cyclists on their forum?

    • Jerald@lemmy.mlOP
      15·
      2 years ago

      love the outlook of lemmy, I think the design is decent and simplistic. But one thing I can’t seem to get over is the fact that almost everyone here seem to think the same politically. Why do you guys think this is?? I know this is a community of leftists foss enthusiasts but I hope everyone here is aware that it is driving many people away from adapting it.

      Hehe… good one. I understand that. But don’t you think it would be a better place of some people from the right joined in here

  • Whom@lemmy.ml
    2·
    2 years ago

    I’m going to paste my comment from a similar topic:

    I find that conversation flourishes when you limit it to a certain degree. In spaces which are completely open and have a massive range of opinion, what you’ll find is mostly yelling at each other over broad talking points that everyone is already familiar with. After a while, nothing of interest comes out of the far left clashing with the far right all the time. But when you limit it, time can be spent doing other things than yelling at the dickhead on the other side who you have little to no overlap with and see as a dire enemy. You can talk about nuances in principles, differences in organizing, etc. It makes for richer, more interesting conversation.

    There’s also quite a huge range within the umbrella of leftism, and honestly we already have a huge enough gap there that there’s a lot of worthless clashing. Broadening that would only make the site worse.

  • Gmork@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    I understand what you are saying. Echo Chambers are absolutely dangerous.

    People need to be exposed to views that don’t necessarily align with theirs. That way they can expand their viewpoint.

    Having said that, this is just one site among many. Not every website has to hold multiple views. Taking the internet as a whole, there are a variety of websites that people can get differing opinions and viewpoints.

    Now that I think about it, it sounds good in theory but I know many far-right people that don’t attempt to look for alternative sources. They just keep delving down the same Rabbit Hole instead of looking for differing views. So you might be on to something.

  • jackalope@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 years ago

    I don’t want more right wingers to join because I don’t think they have much useful things to say (I think this as a former right winger) but I do think there is diversity beyond the left and right spectrum that would help lemmy some.

    There’s not a lot of women here. There’s not much stuff related to hobbies outside of tech. Politics is heavily driven by the ML context of the broader lemmy community. I’d love to see some discussions of social democratic policy stuff, not because I think it’s better but because there’s only so many times you can listen to people rehash Das kapital in the comments. What about some MMT stuff? What about liquid democracy or people experimenting with holocracy etc?

    • j prole@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      2 years ago

      Politics is heavily driven by the ML context of the broader lemmy community Well that would make sense, a lot of the crackdowns on reddit have been happening on ML subs since the broader online left tends to be hostile towards us.

            • pingveno@lemmy.ml
              03·
              2 years ago

              Being in a bubble is a problem. It’s how you get things like QAnon. It’s also how you get extremely out of touch with the rest of society.

              • southerntofu@lemmy.ml
                02·
                2 years ago

                You mean when you have “leftists” doing free-labor propaganda for one of the wealthiest imperialist leaders on Earth (Putin)? :D

                i don’t really like this bubble theory. It’s important to have a comfort zone where you can express yourself freely, and that’s incompatible with a fully open-door policy (no moderation). In the global north, people complaining about filter bubbles are really complaining about people escaping from the majority view, which is a feature not a bug.

                But i agree with you that some places to meet/debate is very good. Nobody was born anarchist or queer, and only through debate and praxis can we evolve to become better versions of ourselves. Hell, i’ve met some right-wingers in my life who were much more left-wing than some communists (i said some)…

  • krolden@lemmy.ml
    11·
    2 years ago

    Because capitalism and other liberal ideologies are inherently exploitative.

  • poVoq@lemmy.ml
    02·
    2 years ago

    There is https://wolfballs.com/ as a Lemmy instance that is more right-leaning and you are always free to host your own.

    “Centrism” isn’t really a position one can have… what you mean is “in support of the status quo” which is IMHO also right leaning as it is inherently conservative.

    The recent influx of Genzedong users definitely lowered the discussion quality here, but beyond those lemmygrad.ml users there is actually quite some ideological diversity in the Lemmyverse. Maybe consider signing up on an instance that does not federate with lemmygrad.ml 🤷

    • Soviet Snake@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      2 years ago

      I think the anarchist community could be bigger but apart from that, if you block Lemmygrad you get a more or less diverse community in the left leaning spectre, I think what OP meant is they want more liberals.

    • morrowind@lemmy.ml
      05·
      2 years ago

      “Centrism” isn’t really a position one can have… what you mean is “in support of the status quo” which is IMHO also right leaning as it is inherently conservative.

      This is why we need more diversity of thought

  • Gunther@lemmy.ml
    02·
    2 years ago

    Ultimately, Lemmy is a Reddit clone and one problem with Reddit-like platforms is the upvote/downvote system heavily promotes groupthink since dissenting opinions are downvoted into oblivion while consensus opinions are promoted. Lemmy attempts to solve this problem by being open source, self-hostable, and federated (which are all great things), but these aspects alone can’t totally solve the inherent groupthink problem, it just makes it easier for those with differing views to spin off and start their own instances, which will likely have their own groupthink.

    As politically centrist myself, I’ve basically just unsubscribed from the political communities and focus on the more tech-related ones. If an apolitical or more centrist political Lemmy instance which federated with lemmy.ml was started there’s a good chance I’d join.

    • Jerald@lemmy.mlOP
      01·
      2 years ago

      Same. I thought to myself there are better things than politics to focus on. But yes, groupthink is a problem with such platforms.