Have they tried painting a fire hydrant a truck and and a bicycle on the back? Let’s test if these cameras are a robot or not.
To me, this looks a lot like taking one dose of a prescribed antibiotic. All it really succeeds in doing is training dazzle resistant strains of cameras.
Trying to trick the cameras is playing into an expensive game of cat and mouse. And sure, fine, that may work for a little while, but it’s not a solution.
I wonder if WWI dazzle paint designs would work too.
I’m not a big fan of adapting to fascism, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Seems like a great way to get rear ended by a Tesla autopilot driver.
Seems like a great way to get an insurance payout from a Tesla autopilot driver.
You don’t need dazzle paint to get hit by a Tesla.
I live in an area where Tesla and Waymo both operate taxis. Waymo is actually pretty solid. Those cars are some of the best, most-predictable drivers on the road. Tesla cabs are meth-addicted clankers.
Except insurance has basically decided it doesn’t need to actually pay for the most part.
At some point people are just going to roll the dice on this bullshit. If they aren’t gonna pay out when they should why are we even paying them? This seems incredibly criminal to deny payment while accepting increasing payments.
If they aren’t gonna pay out when they should why are we even paying them?
Because you can end up losing your car, being fined thousands of dollars, or in jail for driving without insurance. The fact the peasants get no value from it isn’t important, you better keep paying!
Wait till you hear about health insurance
seems like a plumb er solution
You’re right, I should’ve waited… This is fucked.
The figures don’t mean insurers rejected nearly half of otherwise valid claims. Claims can close without payment because another insurer covered the loss, a customer withdrew the claim, damages fell below the deductible or the loss wasn’t covered by the policy.
You can’t just say this shit and then just dismiss it:
Still, the increase suggests motorists face greater scrutiny when seeking compensation for some of the most complicated and costly types of auto claims.
Free money glitch
It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
autopilot driver
Dude’s probably on his way to the ATM machine
Quick! What’s his PIN number‽
nobody got it smh my head
He’s a geek. It’s either 2112 (Rush) or 1701 (Star trek)
Don’t forget 0451 if they are an In-Sim game nerd!
This approach only works in daylight with cameras that rely on colour only. Infrared spectrum cameras such as what Australia uses on mobile phone traffic cameras are much harder to deal with. Patterns don’t cut it and it’s a huge part of military research into hiding vehicles from infrared spotters.
Disabling the cameras entirely is much more effective.
For IR you can feasibly run IR dazzle lights all over whatever you want to mask, including your face.
Dumb question I have no idea how infrared light works and cameras. But what if my license plate was just constantly firing infrared light to counter act or “blind” the cameras?
I wonder if those cameras stop working if you have the new IR blocking window tint that keeps the suns heat out but are otherwise clear. Would the camera just not be able to see inside the car at all?
DO BOTH
(defense in depth)
Can’t you make patterns in infrared reflective paint?
Not really. We don’t have materials that absorb or reflect infrared light. It’s one of the reasons it’s hard to beat inferred-guided (heat seeking) missiles, the only real solution is to drop something hotter than your plane, aka a flare.
So… get ready for a new era of commercial automotive flares I guess?
What if I just hold a sparkler out my window?
Here comes the sun, do do do do
No need, you can just use an IR spotlight to blind the camera. Unlike the military you’re not trying to hide the vehicle.
But either way you’re actively trying to avoid being picked up by speed cameras so you get a fine.
This isn’t about speed cameras, it’s about “safety” surveillance cameras. No laws have to be broken. Evading Flock isn’t illegal
*yet
Are infrared cameras only detecting the vehicle or are they getting the license plate too?
I think the correct xkcd for this arms race is: https://xkcd.com/3167/
I like this one more
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1897:_Self_Driving
My solution so far is a bike rack that blocks my plate from view. Easy enough to feign ignorance and “correct it” in the moment. Flocks database no doubt has an entry for [color][make][model], but at least it’s not associated with me directly through motor vehicle bureau records.
I’m pretty sure based on previous reporting that they will just track you as “blue car with this specific model of bike rack”.
I am sure of that too. Best I can do is try to avoid linking it to my name.
adding it also logs your phone, earpods, etc signals alongside the car’s data.
Are you in one of the nice states that doesn’t require front license plates?
I am not, but no one seems to give a shit.
A fun experiment, but the real solution is preventing all the shit in the first place by government regulation.
I saw a post yesterday with practical suggestions about how to move that process along.
The same governments that are pocketing the sweet Flock dollars to ignore public opinion?
now find something that stops it from reading Bluetooth and other RF signals. I wonder if anyone has acquired one for security research
It would be simpler to just overlay Bluetooth or RF signals it can read with signals so numerous and strong that it is overwhelmed. The main problem with that is the size of the hardware you’d need.
You could pull the 20 phones in a trench coat thing that one guy did to create “traffic jams” where there were no cars.
RF shields already exist, so you could in theory cover the car with it, it could be a problem tho since you can’t really do calls and listen to the radio anymore but i guess you can just put an antenna
Just put the phone in a Faraday cage and turn off the bluetooth devices. You will need an older car without bluetooth and telemetry built in though.
That and for it to actually work you’d have to cover your windshield and other windows.
I meann, is it necessary? Bluethoot is already weak, i feel like that without covering windshield and windows it wouldn’t be strong enough to be detected outside
Spend a large sum (for some) of money to make my vehicle look stupid vs. they can fuck off with their privacy-invading cameras.
I prefer “they can fuck off”
I mean at least they’re trying…? Your alternative isn’t really a solution
Spend a large sum of money on a suit of armor vs. they can fuckin stab me
I prefer “they can fuckin stab me”
I prefer “they can fuckin stab me”
Well, alright… :grabs a stabby:
;-)
No… it’s actually “stick your knife up your ass instead of into me”
They are still tracking you. This guy didn’t opt in to be tracked so he could give the car wrap a try.
Unless you’re implying you’d destroy the cameras. In which case, that wasn’t clear but I wholly support it
I would never destroy that poor company’s property!
Oh, ok, sorry
Fighting fire with fire.
Give ‘em the ol’ Razzle Dazzle
Should have done random license plates
From this bit in the article:
The pattern does not stop a camera from recording. Instead, it is designed to prevent the software connected to the camera from recognizing what it sees. A person or car wearing the pattern would still appear in the footage, but the detection system may not flag it as a person or vehicle.
I wonder if these systems won’t “notice” and record the license plate on its own if they don’t think there’s a vehicle present.
More likely is that these companies will just update their models to identify these vehicles once again. Furthermore, patterns like this make the car really stand out from the crowd which is a terrible way to disguise yourself.
Correct. The arms race of evolution never stops. Eternal vigilance.
Detected smudge with license plate. SWAT team has been dispatched.
That’s the trick, though. With these patterns, the camera doesn’t even recognize that there’s a car there at all.
Would it read a license plate if you set it in the bushes?
There’s an idea. Start putting fake license plates everywhere to poison ALPRs.
“Let’s hear it for the vague blur” -p k dick, A Scanner Darkly
Benn Jordan did a video on that, he was able to add patterns of stuff to make plates unreadable by ALPR systems. He didn’t share the pattern for people to use as it may be illegal, but you can see it in the video
Yep, about 23.5 minutes into that one
it’s illegal to reproduce/mimic license plates.
Interesting. I have this Tshirt from a few years ago.
The vendor’s website still has anti-AI patterns, but removed the license plates prints.
Where and under what circumstances? Do you have a link for more information? In my US state, I see reproduced license plates (i.e., not the original state-issued metal ones) all the time. Like stickers, e-paper (I think?), etc.
For some reason I imagined a car covered (colored) in fake license plates
Probably better to be able to just hide your plate at will.
Lol. Those flock cameras must be sending out a recognizable signal, right? Link this to a detector and it could automatically hide your plate when a camera is in range and then flip it back when. You leave range.
Seems like a good way to get stopped by police and have your car impounded.
Car enthusiasts seem to get away with alternate plates around me. Sometimes plates from the manufacturer country, sometimes decorative plates resembling the local jurisdiction but being the car’s name or year/model. Either there’s nothing specifically against additional plates that are clearly “novelty” items or my local police just don’t care. Now, if they’re legitimate government-made plates, I’d bet you’d run into issues.
I’m sure you could add something that expands your plate info, but I can’t see a solution that keeps your true plate visible (to avoid direct police activity) without also keeping your actual plate number as part of the character string associated with your vehicle. I do recall reflective letters being sold at one point to defeat standard speed/light cameras (plate is reflective by default, characters are not). But, still, with all the extra details the system logs with y/m/m/c, stickers, attachments, and damage, I regrettably don’t see this being especially effective. But, I suppose, it has a chance to keep your unique vehicle unassociated with government records… For now.
