I have no idea why you Yanks insist on doing fascists such a huge favour by calling them “conservatives.”
Fascist’s are on the right end of the Overton window.
So are conservatives.Learn what a venn diagram is, ya smack Baum pea wet.
The issue isn’t that they’re somehow different; the issue is the “conservative” is a euphemism.
“Conservatism” is a long, long dead political tradition, Clyde. You call fascists “conservatives” because they (and the liberal media) tells you to.
It’s no wonder they run rings around you when it comes to the propaganda game.
When we call them “far right,” “fascists,” or “nazis” they get pissy and say “sO mUcH fOr ThE tOlErAnT lEfT” there’s no winning dude
We win by not giving a fuck what they think about us calling them what they are. We win by showing them no tolerance and being proud of it. If there ever was a tolerant left now is the time to kill it.
This. I pulled my American flag down and ordered a slew of flags to fly instead. I’m starting with the Iron Front flag, then on to some pro gay, inclusive flags. I’m spending this weekend either finding local organizations or maybe creating one, for purposes of resistance and protest. Stop being nice!
Also go get trained and get a firearm. We can all hand them in happily later when and if things ever settle down. Get armed now. Its easy. They are all armed (trained, not so much usually). Be safe.
The funny thing is how … not even far… rather how crazy IMHO it seem to have gone.
I like reading conservative stuff; I like being challenged in my opinions and thinking…
But browsing through r/conservative was an effing joke - all woo and no substance
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A lot of them have this sort of humiliation fetish so you can sometimes just bully them into the less shit opinion if you degrade them enough.
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t really mind them, for now. They are not that imposing and I like to see the other viewpoint occasionaly, as I don’t use other social networks. Makes me feel like I’m in less of a bubble here.
I’m okay with downvotes.
How can you look at what is happening in the US and say they are not imposing?
Old conservatism was people advocating for individual choice and less government intervention.
Misguided, sure, but a healthy check on expanding government into places it didn’t need to be and advocating for the “ideal” capitalism that drives competition and innovation.
For as long as it has existed conservatism has been poisoned by religion of and in the last 50 years it as a party line has descended into incoherence, but it’s interesting to see the best-faith arguments it has as a little contrast to my left wing bubble.
Old conservatism was defending the monarchy.
The whole “advocating for individual choice and less government intervention” thing was always a lie that they told to dupe rubes into thinking their ideology wasn’t elitist and abhorrent.
Actual conservatism is healthy and useful. I want part of my government to look at what laws and policies are being pushed and say, “should we be doing this?”, “Should it cost that much?”, “Do we have something that does this already?”.
Unfortunately, the label has been co-opted, and it no longer strives to create the smallest effective government, but the largest totalitarian government instead.
small c individual conservatives, sure. I count a few as my friends.
Big C Donald Trump, JD Vance, Musk, Bezos, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Theresa May, Marine Le Pen etc? Fuck offff
Also known as aspiring nahtCs
Musk? Aspiring? We’re about 6 years past that point.
Im wary of echo chambers and it’s so incredibly easy to find yourself in them nowadays. It’s always good to be around dissenting opinions and have discussions with the other side. Obviously there’s a limit with hostility and all that but assuming civility it is pretty much always better to not be completely surrounded with people that think just like you.
The constantly repeated echo chamber argument is honestly kinda just nonsense. To conservatives, anything outside of their echo chamber is one big echo chamber because it disagrees with them.
Obviously, if all you ever do is go online and talk to Marxist groups or something, that’s one thing. But really, all you need to do is be exposed to people from different backgrounds as you to break up any echo chamber effect. That’s why so many kids become more progressive in college - it’s often the first time they get out of the echo chamber of their hometown and are exposed to kids who don’t look like them and grew up under different circumstances. If you’re on Lemmy, odds are pretty good that you’re exposed to minorities and other people with different backgrounds than yours. Places like Lemmy are full of people from all over the world and from all walks of life with all kinds of different views. You don’t need to go out of your way to expose yourself to conservatives like you’re building up a tolerance for poison or something. You can get that just by checking the news or Twitter.
Agreed. Lemmy feels very homogenous. A few dissenting viewpoints is healthy.
Yeah Lemmy is a bit of a series of interconnected echo chambers.
Actual conservatives are welcome as far as I’m concerned. The problem is the other word for that political grouping is liberal.
Agree they also seem to stay in their dens or get downvoted to oblivion in general threads
Meh. Lemmy is for them too, even if they are outnumbered.
Does…does it have to be?
I kinda want them here so they can be exposed to leftist ideas and become thigh-high wearing, Linux using furries.
But that’s probably just me huffing hopium
“I can fix them…” ~Common thought in an abusive relationship
It’s not going to work, at best they see themselves as a “missionary” whose purpose is to convert us from our “ways” and they’re not going to allow themselves to be converted.
Conservatives do change. Exposure is key. We’re where we are at because the rich have isolated us in echo-chambers. Speaking as a former conservative whose entire family across 3 generations shifted to the left. I caution your thinking they’re a lost cause.
It’s less about an abusive relationship and getting them therapy.
Some can and do, increasingly we’re in an age where conservativism is a dogma akin to a religion (and often entwined with it, of course) and that won’t change. I don’t think we need to shun all conservatives but we need to have a low tolerance for them if they don’t show that inclination. Being conciliatory to these people, by and large, is what has gotten us to this point
They are not conservatives because they haven’t “heard the good word”, to borrow a phrase. Decades of pop culture and daily life have delivered the message that you should be a decent person, accept differences, treat others with the respect and dignity, and help those in need. They grew up exposed to those messages in movies, tv, comic books, and from their teachers, families, and mentors. They chose to disregard or actively oppose those messages. And they choose to keep doing it every day. They are just broken people. They are disgusted by those notions. They want to rid those messages from media and public discourse altogether. That’s what all the anti-woke shit is. A rejection of decency, acceptance, and the desire to fix injustices. I don’t have patience or the time in the day to read their bad faith self-righteous bullshit opinions that are both wrong on the face of it, and usually divorced from reality entirely. Fuck em.
They are not conservatives because they haven’t “heard the good word”, to borrow a phrase
In many ways I agree, but it also always depends on where they are in their journey and how much curiosity they have left. At a minimum their communities serve as a communication test bed. For example, I like to watch some flat earth de-bunkers on YouTube. Nothing they say is new to me, but its good to see how a better worded person breaks the idea down. Its like the Ben Shapiro “sell your house” meme; it sounds right for the first 10s. Sure I would sell my house and leave. Even when you know that is wrong it might not be clear how to break down the idea or what the fallacy being used is. You are right that the argumentative bad faith takers are not going to change their mind, but they are irrelevant. There will be lurkers who are curious about truth who may be deconstructing; that is who I believe the audience is around this.
Maybe someone should create a conservative@lemmy.ml for that.
Careful I been banned for saying stuff like this.
No you haven’t. You were banned for being a giant troll.
This is the way.
Once we convert all the conservative morons, I forsee a utopian socialist society where everyone is without gender, without rhetoric, without hate, food and shelter is free for all, money is no longer a pursuit, scientific progress for the good of all life is the only goal, oh and everyone wears pajamas and long-legged patterned socks (Unix socks): so basically a Star Trek society.
Dem socks go from foot to pip.
Depends. Do you believe in freedom of speech and freedom of opinion? Do you want the Fediverse to be an open, decentralized protocol?
Free and welcoming are two extremely different things. I want conservatives to be free to come to Lemmy, I do not want conservatives to be welcome to come to Lemmy.
fascists and their sympathizers (also fascists) should not feel comfortable in polite company. I am saying this very diplomatically.
There is a social contract, and those who break the social contract are not protected by its rules. Fascists don’t treat people with respect and deserve none in kind. Because respect is a two-way street.
If a Nazi sits down at a table and nobody objects, you have a table full of Nazis.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I believe in freedom of speech from the government. I do not believe in freedom of opinion. Some opinions are bad, and people should be made to feel bad for having them.
Better to have their bs called out with sources I suppose
Surely evidence will sway them. They probably just haven’t ever encountered it before!
it’s often really tough to ‘logic’ someone out of a position they ‘emotion-ed’ their way into.
Haha. For a few, honestly yeah. But most, probably not. But I think it’s important to have that hand reached out for those who finally begin to question the ocean of misinformation they’ve been swimming in for decades. Others are just fascist.
You can block them (:
Oh, I do. No worries
Well, yes, in that it’s an inherent part of the fediverse. Instances can curate what they host, but even if .world and .ee removed their communities, they’d just move onto the next instance until they find one that will tolerate them.
You can block communities, though, luckily.
It’s like a zoo exhibit
They’re absolutely free to spin up their own Lemmy instances. However, that doesn’t mean other instances have to host their comms or federate with their misinformation spreading instances
They can go to Reddit or x or one of the many other services the conservatives own. They should have a miserable time existing outside their walled safe spaces until they decide to stop being evil filth.
Truth social is hurting for members.
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Based and equality of opportunity pilled.
These are people ostracized from less extreme groups. The only places they find acceptance is with people like them, leading to an echo chamber where the most insane ideas can fester and grow. I think the solution to the issue of having extremists among us is to do the hardest imaginable thing and accept them into our communities and keep it positive and short when correcting things. “I hope that kind of thing doesn’t hurt a lot of people.” Or whatever. We’re silly animals who will do anything to be accepted by our chosen group including learning to think differently.
Yes, but boundaries are extremely important if you’re going to do it. 100% agree that people become extremists in the first place because an extremist group welcomed them with open arms when no one else would. But you run the risk of falling into the tolerance paradox…under no circumstances should anyone’s intolerance be tolerated.
Great point but I don’t know if we should keep that hard and fast rule. Please discuss with me but I think intolerance might have to only be chided and not outright rejected in order for change to occur. You don’t invite a Nazi into your house and pretend genocide is okay but if you’re trying to change them you can’t kick them out when they express insane views or we’re back to square one because they will say unacceptable shit. Don’t tolerate it but don’t exorcise them from your space unless you’re doing it for yourself right?
My question is why are they so mad about banning X links?
Because it harms Nazi daddy Elon
It’s just wild the takes I find whenever I stumble on one of these communities. Just no humanity
I want them here so I can call them chuds and help them feel outraged and offended. Fuck their cult of personality bullshit.
Its good to have differing perspectives. Your not always gonna get it right.
We should murder and eat children.
That’s quite the modest proposal there. The real question, and this determines whether I think you are truly a good person, or the wretched scum who believe what I don’t, is are you pre or a post-birther?
A little oxidation of the meat is what give the perfect texture to the meat, I think. Anyone who says otherwise is just saying they’re refined, while drinking iced tea with their pinky finger extended.
All children are post birth! They aren’t children until they have gasped their first breath.
Eggs are delicious.
I never said anything about the other perspective being valid. However, without the exposure to other perspectives you may not be able to realize if one is wrong or right.
Do you think we need nazi propaganda to be posted so that people can argue against it?
Propaganda by who’s standards and definition? Whats propaganda to you is not to them and whats propaganda to them is not to you
Well if I don’t have it right, they get it even less.
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Their shit shows up when sorting by new Sherlock,
