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US President Donald Trump is facing widespread criticism and accusations of proposing ethnic cleansing after stating that he would like to “just clean out” Gaza and relocate its Palestinian population to neighbouring countries.
Speaking aboard Air Force One during a flight from Las Vegas to Miami on Saturday, Trump described Gaza as a “demolition site” and suggested moving its residents to Jordan and Egypt.
“I’d like Egypt to take people. I’d like Jordan to take people,” Trump said. “You’re talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing.”
He added that the move could be either temporary or long-term, saying, “something has to happen”
To everybody who voted against Kamala Harris because she didn’t change her stance on Gaza, how does it feel to be played harder than a tenor saxophone?
Funny that you think Gaza genocide was the reason people didn’t vote vs pure laziness. The Gaza thing was a scapegoat for 90% of them.
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Trump is probably even more pro-Israel than Biden.
Genocide is the word you’re looking for
You’ll often see Zionists condemn Egypt and Syria for not taking the Palestinians “oh the Palestinians are so bad that even the other Muslim countries won’t take them”. No, they just don’t want to be complicit in ethnic cleansing.
I can’t believe there are actually people who are surprised about his ‘proposal’ at all. Like… everyone saw this coming, right? Plenty of people have been warning other people for years that Trump would do this sort of shit.
But hey, what do I know. I’m just an alarmist fearmonger. Or whatever they used to call me.
I don’t mean to defend the Democrats, but the Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic Party for the Gaza genocide. Which was wrong-headed as it was pretty obvious that the Trump admin would double down on US support to Israel… where the Democrats did do something to resolve the conflict.
where the Democrats did do something to resolve the conflict.
What are you referring to? Biden claimed to be “working toward” a ceasefire for 15 months then Trump’s ambassador went over there for 3 days and the ceasefire immediately happened.
Trump is pro-genocide and has no problem wiping out all Palestinian life but him and Biden are equally as bad on this issue
I don’t mean to defend the Democrats, but the Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic Party for the Gaza genocide.
The Pro-Palestine crowd has been throwing all the blame on the Democratic party for the Gaza genocide because the Democratic party was in power for all of the span of the genocide until Trump and Republicans took power a week ago or so.
Let me explain this to you and please listen, now the Pro-Palestine crowd will throw all the additional blame on the Republican Party and Donald Trump for being in power as the genocide worsens because we all know it tragically very likely wilI.
That is how being against this works for most. It isn’t that hard to grasp.
You have to remember though, the pro-Palestinian crowd doesn’t care about the rhetoric the parties deliver to the domestic American audience. Obviously the Democrats repeatedly claiming their working towards a peaceful resolution while not actually doing so, rather than Trump just coming out and taking the mask off matters a hell of a lot more than the actual damage and death happening in Gaza, but good luck convincing the loony pro-Palestinians of that.
Plenty of people have been warning other people for years that Trump would do this sort of shit.
Frankly, he is just saying the quiet part out loud.
Or, do you think Israel ever didn’t intend to do genocide?
Oh no, of course not. Fucking Zionists.
What I meant was that it should be a surprise to no one that Trump says these things. He’s been letting the world know who he is for a long time. You’re right, no more dog whistles, but not exactly a surprise either.
It isn’t a surprise, no one’s surprised.
#neckpussy
Backlash only matters if he or anyone he surrounds himself with actually gives a shit.
Hell, it only matters if anyone cares, and based on the Dems and GOP in the US, neither of them really, honestly care. And most Harris supporters don’t care either, as well as, well, I can safely say no Trump voters care.
There are large communities of muslims in the midwest. MN, MI, & WI are all battle ground states. It’s part of why Harris lost.
Yeah it is there fault we lost!
Not the fact that democratic party did worse than nothing to listen to the voices of people with connections to Palestinians.
Of course it is ethnic cleansing. But in his opinion, it is the good kind of ethnic cleansing. Just like deporting immigrants, or sometimes even Native Americans…
Of course, if USA really wants the Gaza population to be displaced, it would be consistent for them to take on a significant proportion of them as immigrants.
And they wouldn’t even be undocumented migrants!
But they would still be brown :(
And they’ll eventually realise that “good” ethnic cleansing is actually quite expensive, and who will really miss them anyway?
Trump’s administration should really just come up with some sort of, ‘last answer’. Something cheaper than deportation, doesn’t let those undesirables the opportunity to come back in, and sends a message to any other undesirables. I just can’t think of what that could be. /S
Oohhh, like some sort of solution? Like one that’s final?? Hmmm…
I don’t see any appropriate backlash to any of his shit so far.
Yep. The only pushback is from the countries he wants to cleanse them into or the people themselves he wants cleansed. It’s self preservation.
The left strongly disapprove, but that’s it enough for a backlash. The leftists think Biden was just as bad and the right and diet-right voters don’t care or are happily on board.
I guess all the “Genocide Joe” commenters aren’t getting paid to skew the election anymore, so they won’t be here to comment.
Hi I am here. I called Biden “Genocide Joe” because frankly that is an accurate label.
I am here commenting that I already have and will continue to shit on Trump for being a genocidal bigot.
Now can you proceed to take your foot out of your mouth?
I haven’t seen “Genocide Don” yet. Funny that.
Isn’t Trump’s middle name James? Genocide James works. And you could Photoshop him trying to look cool, like dark Brandon. But obviously just sad like some 60 year old trying to look cool at the barbeque and failing miserably, but even worse because he’s older… And trump.
It’s John (which also happens to be a pseudonym he’s used). You could say “Genocide John,” but nobody would know who you’re talking about.
That’s because Trump only just got in and hasn’t (yet) done anything close to what Biden did in terms of genocide
Genocide Joe. Genocide Trump. Feel better? I dont.
They’re still around unfortunately, but they are fewer in number.
The bots left, we’re left with the dumbasses who believed them.
Just check the downvote total to see how many accounts are still here.
There are a few stragglers around still. And just as sanctimonious with their tiresome and reckless high-flying rhetoric about how principled they are…
sigh.
Bro did you see that articicle about the x whistleblower and how elon influenced the election
I hadn’t; any source, by chance (or summarization, if not)?
Or, and this is crazy, Biden could have earned more votes for the DNC by using the Leahy Law and requiring Israel to stop committing war crimes if they wanted to continue to receive military aid.
Almost like it’s the responsibility of parties and politicians to earn votes in a democratic system. Not the duty of voters to vote for the “correct” party, which is what you see codified in Authoritarian governments. The writers of our Constitution specifically said the reason for having elections so often was to make sure politicians were responsible to the people, not the other way around.
So the more you try to blame the voters, the more you make them not want to vote blue.
I’m right here. Trump is gearing up to act as genocidal as Biden was but he’s not there yet
Most of the genocide Joe commenters were russian bots. Those left were fooled by them.
BlueAnon in full force
I’m here. Biden is a genocidal monster, and nothing Trump can do will change that fact.
.ml user with a braindead take? yeah, that checks out.
Its braindead to not support a genocider?
So you don’t think Biden was complicit in the genocide? The one he funded?
The fact that you place the entire weight of 80 years of US Israeli policy on its most reluctant participant demonstrates your agenda. If Trump was in office on Oct. 7, there would be no palestinian territories anymore. They’d be under the Israeli flag and stained with the blood of American soldiers.
The fact that you place the entire weight of 80 years of US Israeli policy
No, I just place the weight of the Commander in Chief refusing to abide by US law, and ending arms shipments to a genocidal rouge nuclear state, and preventing the UN from holding the genocidal rogue nuclear state to account.
If Trump was in office on Oct. 7
But he wasn’t, Biden was, and Biden made the choice to back Israel in its genocide to the hilt.
The fact that you place the entire weight of 80 years of US Israeli policy on its most reluctant participant
Biden was not reluctant in the slightest and neither are you.
So much for the rational bit of your username.
Though, I guess you can be rational and wrong if you start from false premises.
Biden, and any other American president, can end Israeli wars with a single phone call.
Reagan did it.
Bush did it.
Clinton did it.
In fact, the Israeli military systematically doesn’t know how to end wars because they’ve never had to do it. America has always ended their wars.
It’s literally an aspect of their political ideology:
‘Oh our party can’t be blamed for the war goals not being accomplished. We had to stop because America’
You’re either so horrifically ignorant of recent history (my still living father is older than the state of Israel) that any opinion you spout can be tossed out (no matter how rational), or you know this and are trying to actively provide cover for a president who was happy with the slaughter of mostly children.
Which is it?
Edit: and to be exact, it’s 77 years. And the US wasn’t exactly friendly at the start due to the perceived communist sympathies of the young state. You know, the whole cold war thing? You may have heard of it?
Reagan started the 3 billion in military aid to Israel and the other two you mentioned continued it. And this is the very thing Biden is criticized for.
You say they ended wars with phone calls, without specifically saying what you’re referring to. But I can guess the following two things are true of Reagan, Bush, and Clinton: 1) they weren’t dealing with Netanyahu, and 2) they weren’t dealing with Hamas. Netanyahu was clearly not interested in ending the war until his buddy Trump was president, so there never was an option to bring “peace with a phone call”. Biden held back weapons to Israel, taking flak from how own party to do so - did any of his predecessors?
I’m not here to say Biden did enough, but you guys and the pro Israel side have something in common - you have a particular hate for Biden.
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Really?
That is your response?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Reagan+Israel+war
There is nothing rational about you. It’s impossible to be rational with absolutely no historical knowledge.
It doesn’t matter who the leader of Israel is. Israel isn’t a real country. It doesn’t exist without continuous US funding. In fact, a third of ALL U.S. foreign aid has gone to Israel. Without free cash from the US, Israel goes bankrupt. Without free weapons from America, Israel goes bankrupt.
Any American president, at any time, can end any Israeli war with a phone call. That is, in fact, how all Israeli wars have ended. It’s actually hurt Israel because they don’t know how to set achievable war goals. Instead their wars end when America demands they do.
This is also the same deal Hamas had accepted since may. You mention them like they have been an impediment to the peace negotiations.
Biden held back one shipment of 2,000 lb bombs. A weapon that our military doctrine doesn’t allow us to use near population centers due to the likelihood of civilian casualties, and Israel wanted to drop them in one of the most densely populated places on earth.
Note that I said one shipment. We did provide them other shipments of 2000 lb. The only reason he held up that one shipment was to earn the respect of the utterly, foolishly gullible. Of course, he was required by the Leahy Law to stop all shipments to Israel.
Assuming good faith, which is a stretch at this point, you are utterly and completely ignorant of this topic.
Yeah, I have a hate-on for any worthless fucks that commit genocide. And when you have the power to end it, and don’t, then you are responsible for it.
Now, before you complain about me not providing links, spend 5 seconds trying to educate yourself by using Google. I’m not going to provide links proving the sky is blue, either. Some things you are responsible for finding out yourself.
Yeah, you can’t get away with critising Dear Leader Biden on .world
And yet, here you are doing just that.
Now, let’s all take a moment and quietly imagine what would happen if someone should go to .ml and call out Putin for being a sad little coward that can’t take criticism without windowing someone to death…
call out Putin for being a sad little coward that can’t take criticism without windowing someone to death…
I do not think that would be an issue. Its not like Putin is even pretending to be a leftist, nor has he ever.
Seriously? The admin there refuses to answer when asked if they support Russia. And check the modlogs. They hand out vague “rule 1” violations that are critical of communism sometimes several times a day.
.ml isn’t just a safe haven for leftist trolls.
are critical of communism sometimes several times a day.
Criticizing communism isn’t criticizing Putin, who is not a communist.
I’ve had posts criticizing capitalism be removed from .world… So, obviously, they hate the US, right?
Still not hearing any trump criticism from ya…
And I’m not hearing any criticism of Putin, Leobold II, Pol Pot, or Charles Manson from you. What’s you point?
Yup, more diversion. No one wants to engage with your bad faith arguments.
removed, you were the one who made the bad faith argument first. Don’t like your own medicine?
Still not hearing any trump criticism from ya…
Criticize him for supporting a genocide in Israel? Last I heard from the neoliberals, that’s just a practical necessity, and we cannot blame Trump for 77 years of US-Israeli policy…
Brutal. Savage. Reckt.
Woah. What’s it called when you can’t tell sarcasm and serious apart? Godwinned?
The .ml troll that got banned, are they serious or are they playing? That went 0 to nazi in the fewest steps I think I’ve ever seen.
What are you talking about?
Your removed post at the same level in this chain. You called the guy you were slapfighting with a nazi and there was a Hitler comparison as well.
I can’t tell if you actually believe that, are just trolling, or are muddying the waters to control the narrative.
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Good, keep making yourself known so we know who to ignore.
Block me then
You will ignore someone for calling a genocider a genocider?
Ok.
“hmm, funny how all the people criticizing genocide Joe disappeared”
“No we didn’t, are right here”
“Blocked”
Block me dumbass
Nah.
I only started using the term after the election, I wish I was paid. It’s crazy how I’m expected to shut up about it for the next 4 years. Apparently, asking the dems to change their stance on genocide of everything is too much and everyone would rather stick their head in the sand. The moment someone enables it just a bit more then them, they get none of the blame and we get to wait through 4 years of shit just for them to give us literally the same stance.
Both parties enable it and are complicit. Defending either on the subject is clear bootlicking imo.
No one is defending either on the subject. We are simply stating that one is WORSE than the other by an order of magnitude. Honestly, how can you not see that?
It’s not just that he’s much worse it’s that some people somehow expected him to be better?!?
I don’t think anyone realistically thought he’d be “better”, unless you count the scum who consider “More dying” to be “better”.
I’ve seen multiple videos of people walking around interviewing people that voted for him and asking why. Lots of them stated that Biden arming Israel against Gaza was a major concern for them. None of the interviewers dug into what they hoped would change but it was clear they expected Trump to improve the situation for the people of Gaza. Now I’ve got no idea why they thought that - I certainly never saw anything to make me think that - but lots of people seemed have got that message.
nice anecdote, it decisively proves the argument
I see a lot of people actively defending Biden in this very thread
Not only that, but if you took them at their word, that donvict and Kamala would have been the eXaCtSaMe on Gaza, then that issue is cancelled out and you have to weigh all the other policy positions, and even then, it is clear that donvict is a TERRIBLE choice compared to Kamala.
They have no excuse. None.
Not only that, but if you took them at their word, that donvict and Kamala would have been the eXaCtSaMe on Gaza, then that issue is cancelled out
Not true.
You can refuse to support both of them because they are both evil, and you morally should not support evil. Even if one evil person will put more money in your pocket, or if one person will smile at you while your rights are being eroded while telling you nothing is wrong.
This is like choosing to do nothing in the trolley problem because you disagree with the notion of taking part in something that will kill people. Congratulations on keeping your hands clean while failing to prevent avoidable deaths. I hope your sense of moral vanity is satisfied.
This is like choosing to do nothing in the trolley problem because you disagree with the notion of taking part in something that will kill people.
Nah, it’s rejecting the entire scenario as being made up. Why not fucking stop the trolley?!?!? Its our foot on the throttle making it run people over!!
You “rejected the scenario” but didn’t actually stop the trolley, and now it’s crushing people. Brilliant fucking job there with your out of the box thinking!
That is a great explanation of how I feel too.
Here’s my excuse: I’m not American, and I’m not going to refrain from criticising a genocidal monster just because Americans treat their political parties like sportsteams.
His comment implies anyone speaking disfavorably about the dems stance on genocide is somehow a paid shill.
Read the rest of the comments. It’s always the same thing. The dems lost because the voters got manipulated into thinking genocide was something to draw a line over. Well it fucking was. I still think not voting and voting for Trump of all people is massively stupid but I hate the message we are sending.
Trump isn’t worse, he’s the same on it. We shouldn’t be calling them anything other then Genocide Joe and Genocide Trump. Biden did a lot of good but his whole legacy is not breaking with genocide.
We have 4 years to exert pressure and make sure the next candidate isn’t a mossad and wallstreet plant. Instead we are infighting like peasants and trying are hardest to not hold the politicians who are suppose to represent us accountable.
Biden did a lot of good but his whole legacy is not breaking with genocide.
Now Trump has already undone most of that good, has 4 more years to cause damage, and the genocide that you “drew a line over” hasn’t stopped. Nice job.
I voted strategically but I shouldnt have to do it while gritting my teeth. They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win. If we keep pointing at scapegoats and refuse to lay the blame with the ones actually in charge, we get the same exact choice in 4 years and we will lose again.
Ya, drawing the line was dumb but so is blaming the ones that drew it instead of the driver that’s sending a train straight into a group of children.
they didnt offer nothing but it was ridiculous to parade around with Liz Cheney - possibly the least popular politician in the US. I can only think they were trying to get Trump elected
They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win.
Remember, nothing was…
A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.
And so much more… And it’s only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn’t always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts
Seems like you’re not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.
A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.
Hate to break it to you, but we were losing ground on all of that, even with Biden as POTUS. Hell, a fair chunk of that happened when Biden was POTUS, and Dems had a majority in the house and senate.
And yes, don’t talk to me “But Manchin/Sinema!!!”… Fuck off. Because if they were so bad, why were the dems funding those campaigns? Where was the party leaders, demanding their people get on the line, or else lose committee seats, lose money, etc etc.
And why didn’t the Dems drop the filibuster from the senate rules packages? Simple majority vote for everything.
Its almost like they pretended to want to do things to better the working class conditions, without actually doing anything, in order to provide a constant feed of campaign talking points to run on.
Why are you ignoring all the funds and arms sent to this entire different country? Do you think all that military aid is Russian disinfo?
Trump immediately authorized 2000 lb bombs for Israel. That wasn’t a thing before. He’s worse and you suck for enabling him.
I do not know how to explain to Blue MAGA that symbolic gestures do not matter more than the actual material effect on Gaza.
I mean one 2000 lbs bomb, or 2 1000 lbs bombs… The result is the same: A genocide.
Biden authorized sending 2000lb bombs.
Then it came out that such bombs were being sent and under pressure he paused the sending of those bombs.
Trump resumed it.
You’re whitewashing Biden’s part in the willful mass murder of civilians (the US Military itself refuses to use 2000lb bombs exactly because of their massive collateral damage and Israel was using them in an urban area thus maximizing the killing from said collateral damage) for political point scoring.
While you’re claiming the other poster “sucks” for being critical of Biden’s stance on this you might want to look at yourself in a mirror.
I hope you’re right about four years because that’s a return to normalcy that I can barely imagine right now
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His comment implies anyone speaking disfavorably about the dems stance on genocide is somehow a paid shill.
We’re easy to dismiss that way. Then they don’t have to think about how monstrous they have been to support genocide all this time.
Did you say you voted for Kamala?
She was the only viable option other than trump, as pro-genocide centrists were so fond of gloating. I voted for her. You gonna gloat that I voted for your genocide now?
Yep! You voted for genocide. Thanks for admitting that.
The paid shills were running a con. If you weren’t on payroll, then you’re the mark.
Seeing how most of the conmen have cut and run now that the job is done, it really only leaves one option for you.
There are a disturbing number of people in this thread who feel that condemning Democrats is more important than worrying about what is about to happen to Palestinians.
As if you folks were using genocide as a tool. And it’s pretty hard to read.
condemning Democrats is more important than worrying about what is about to happen to Palestinians.
Well, if we want to take it this way…
Yes, Trump’s open declaration of supporting a genocide in Palestine is just as bad as when Biden did it. They are both fucking ghouls, and I hope they both join Kissinger, Reagan, and Thatcher soon.
I don’t give a shit about Trump or Biden. I give a shit about Palestinians. And I have asked multiple people in this thread when they have ever asked a Palestinian what their needs are. You know how many people have told me when they did that? I’ll give you a hint: it’s less than one.
How about you?
When you dismiss people condemning the democrats, you essentially send the message that enabling genocide is okay.
I see attacking the voters as a zionist dog whistle, to desensitize on the subject and low key make genocide something that can be overlooked for the “right” reasons.
Insulting to be said I’m using it as a tool. Every thread about it, there’s multiple comments talking about the voters and using them as a scapegoat. I’m just responding to them. If I’m using it as a tool, so are you. And you are a lot more vocal about it then me.
I am dismissing people continuing to talk about the election when it’s over as if it matters when people are fucking dying.
But you don’t care because American politics.
Seems like you’re dismissing only the people responding to the behavior negatively and not the ones actually doing the behavior. I find it convenient that you are constantly silent on the genocide in general. I only see you commenting when it comes to pointing the finger at scapegoats. It’s easy to notice with the amount you post (not an insult, just an observation, I don’t mind high engagement).
It doesn’t seem like you are arguing in good faith, since you accuse me of something I’m clearly trying to curtail.
Yes it’s annoying when every thread about the genocide has people screaming at the top of their lungs trying to blame voters.
I have more to say on the subject but I was too harsh and got my comment removed so I will leave it at that.
No, I’m dismissing anyone who doesn’t give enough of a shit about Palestinians to bother talking to them.
How often have you done it?
Feeling empathy for a population isn’t contigent on direct communication with them. Pure rhetoric. But to answer your question, I have a good friend who’s Palestinian. He’s been here for many years but it was still brutal to see how it affected him. So yes, I’ve talked to them.
You are also dismissing only the people that don’t align with your beliefs. You are clearly only pushing one side, the one that makes light of the genocide and seeks to divert attention to anyone who isn’t Biden and by extent Israel, and it’s easy to assume why.
I am dismissing people continuing to talk about the election when it’s over as if it matters when people are fucking dying.
Did it matter 30 days ago to you? If so, why do you support the person wanting to continue it, and blame voters for not wanting either of the genociders?
Of course it mattered to me 30 days ago. It mattered to me when this genocide started which is why I have been doing everything in my very limited powers to stop it. What have you done?
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What a shock that no one could’ve ever seen coming.
Oh wait:
Well at least it’s not genocide!
/s
The “two parties are the same,” “Genocide Joe” people are literally quibbling about that just to maintain their arguments and it’s depressing.
Well after all, if you argue with them, you’re a genocide supporting liberal troll. Sometimes in all caps, even!
I always tell them how many hours a week (until recently, for unrelated issues) I have spent sending emails, making phone calls and even visiting politicians’ offices to beg for them to do something about the genocide and ask them if they have even sent one form email or made one phone call.
The closest I got to anyone saying they did anything of actual note was someone who hilariously told me that they couldn’t tell me what they did because it would ruin their anonymity. As if there would be no possible way to put it in general terms.
I even ask them if they ever have talked to a Palestinian about what they think. But of course not. Because they don’t actually care about genocide, they care about berating people and playing political games on the internet.
Performative outrage is so much easier than working towards real change though!
You mean like being outraged people are unwilling to vote for you, because you fully endorsed a genocide?
Or the performative outage at the genocide now, that was somehow “Just a practical necessity” just about 30 days ago?
If genocide support wasn’t your bright line before, why is it suddenly your bright line?
I’m sorry you lost me there mate. Let’s take them in order
I’m not and have never been a political candidate.
The performative outrage of which I speak is people encouraging that the Democrats be punished despite the explicitly stated desire and highly probable outcome of the Republicans enabling greater atrocities, whilst disregarding the harder and more useful work of pushing individuals to oppose the genocide within the existing system of reality
What is this even meant to mean? This is precisely the performative outrage of which I speak, and it doesn’t even carry semantic weight. It’s just useless pseudo-accusatory sentiment
The performative outrage of which I speak is people encouraging that the Democrats be punished despite the explicitly stated desire and highly probable outcome of the Republicans enabling greater atrocities, whilst disregarding the harder and more useful work of pushing individuals to oppose the genocide within the existing system of reality
How do you push elected reps to not genocide, if there are never repercussions for it, because you’ll still always vote for them?
And what greater atrocities are there than genocide? Its like the one thing the entire world (At one point) agreed on, and called it “Crimes against humanity”…
The closest I got to anyone saying they did anything of actual note was
Well, let me assure you, I’ve done more than just phone calls and emails. However, I cannot admit to them publicly.
That’s a real cop-out and you know it. You could say something extremely general, but you won’t, because you haven’t done a thing.
I’ve done something extremely general.
Fuck these people, really. What did they think would happen with Trump?
They don’t care. They have never cared. This thread makes that abundantly clear.
They’re narcissists. They only care about how they look.
They thought he would pull support for Ukraine and let Russia keep what they’d taken.
After all, that’s what they asked him to do.
The same thing that happened under Biden, and would have happened under Harris.
And now we would not be surprised if Trump builds some beach resorts there once the Palestinians are gone. I hope you are happy with your endorsement of Trump.
Aren’t there fewer gazans being exterminated now than 1 month ago?
God damn, I mean technically, you’re right.
Yeah and at this rate, soon enough Israel will completely run out of Gazans to exterminate!
I wholeheartedly agree in the anti-genocidal sentiment, and I’ve personally been engaged in protests against it.
An awful lot of those people are russian bots. But it’s not like you can say that on pro Palestinian spaces, because any comments pointing out how delusional protest voting is or how much worse things are getting because of trump will get removed for racism.
Hi I voted for Harris and am pro Palestinian, stop repeating the lie that we are all like this.
I wasn’t? I literally just said that pointing out that trump is worse for Palestine will get your comment removed from a lot of places. I said nothing at all about Harris voters. Just that lemmy has a fascist/delusional tankie problem.
How do you propose the voters try to push their representatives to actually represent them, if there’s never a repercussion to the representative?
You won’t, lobbyists will always be louder than voters. It’s a rigged system, but it’s rigged in such a way that you can either fail or fail much harder. Other than that you have protests (which have become a lot more dangerous) and doing a Luigi. But noone cares about a few people not voting out of protest, turnout is extremely low anyway.
definitively yes
when utilitarianism seems less burdensome than whatever twisted knot the “genocide joe” folks have to tell themselves justify their actions, you gotta wonder about the choices they made.
when utilitarianism seems less burdensome
How burdensome was it to watch 40K Palestinians die at the hands of weapons made, and supplied, by the US, and fully supported by Biden?
The carnage in Palestine is far reduced now than it was a month ago. I have no confidence that it will hold, but so far the only way that Trump has been worse than Biden on the issue is that Trump is explicit in his rhetoric as opposed to trying to sugar coat it. I realize that to Americans, who are only directly effected by the genocide in so far as hearing about it makes them sad, having their leaders tell them soothing lies means everything, but to those actually in Palestine, it doesn’t make a material difference.
So “not sugarcoating it” is supplying the Israeli government with the penetrating bombs that increase civilian casualties that Biden halted?
Biden may have been largely indifferent to Gazans but Trump is actively hostile and will encourage the brutality in spite of other pressures such as the ICC, which we already see him pushing the ICC to relieve Netanyahu.
Genocide Joe was actually doing ethnic cleansing, so far trump is only talking about it
Edit: I guess trump is actually doing it too, they’re both equally bad on this
Oh, did his administration stop supplying weapons to Israel?
So you agree that supplying weapons to Israel for the last 15 months was ethnic cleansing. You agree that Biden and Trump are both pro-ethnic cleansing
Oh, so now providing weapons to Israel is ethnic cleansing?
If a known mass murderer asks for a gun and bullets do you consider it ethical to give them an assault rifle and 10,000 rounds and then refuse to even remotely resist when they proceed to use those items to commit mass murder?
I don’t, no. But people like the person I’m replying to have spend the last fifteen months insisting it’s fine.
Love that all the pearl clutchers are in this thread to say that NOW the genocide is bad, as if they’ll catch leftists in a whataboutism.
The truth is that Trump is giving the same carte blanche that Biden did to Bibi. It remains on the people of Israel to stop this conflict, as it always has. You can’t pretend the genocide is only bad when your enemy is doing it, this was the same plan under Biden. Trump just likes bragging about the cruelty, whereas Biden was smart enough to pretend to care.
If you strip all the politics of nuance, everyone is exactly the same and nothing ever happens
Both candidates are bad on one issue so it’s all the same! No. Fuck you.
People clicked this thread for the topic of this issue. So, he’s making a point about this one issue. Don’t see any statements claiming Trump has a level head on anything else.
Both candidates were bad on a lot of issues, but I’m glad you jumped to a conclusion that I never stated to prove my point so quickly.
Well, one candidate was bad on their economic policies. Starting off with “The economy is doing fabulously, so you poor people just need to shut up, and vote for me because you owe me your vote” policy…
Voting for the guy who campaigned on taking actions that would very obviously make it even worse for the poor people, over the guy who tried many things to further help poor people but was blocked by the opposing party in Congress, was a real big brain move of yours.
Jokes on you, I gritted my teeth, and voted for Harris. I just didn’t aid her campaign, and chose to 100% work on a local socialists’ campaign.
Same
I’m glad you saw the importance of working locally. Too many third party wishers think they can jump immediately to the presidency
Given how concerned you are with 3rd party voters, surly you’re working towards replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state.
The election is over, now is the time to make the changes we need so people can vote outside the two party system with no spoiler effect.
So, which is it? Do you support democracy or do you get off screeching at disenfranchised voters to vote for your blue conservatives?
Yeah… how silly to base the economy doing well on data and facts. My gut tells me it’s bad.
If the whole world is doing badly economically, but we’re doing much LESS badly, then the economy is fine. What’s NOT good is education, which is why people aren’t smart enough to see this.
Yeah… how silly to base the economy doing well on data and facts.
Oh, data you’re interested in?
Ok, how about the data point that says homelessness is skyrocketing? Does that mean economy good, just because stonk line goes up?
If the whole world is doing badly economically, but we’re doing much LESS badly, then the economy is fine
Less bad is not at all the same thing as “doing great”.
What’s NOT good is education, which is why people aren’t smart enough to see this.
Yes, people are not smart enough to see if you have mass homelessness, mass food insecurity, and people considering copycatting a CEO killer… The economy is doing great!
“Clean out that whole thing.”
He doesn’t even pretend it’s something other than ethnic cleansing. Just literally “clean out” the Palestinians.
And we’re powerless to stop him.
And once again the media is creating apologetic headlines. I guess they want people to only realize the leopards ate their faces when they only have their Lying Eyes left.
“Does no one in the media know what it’s called when you ‘clean out’ an ethnic group and expel them from their land?” one commenter asked, adding: “Trump Calls for Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians From Gaza,” that is your headline.”
