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I don’t know what kind of job this person has, but this strikes me as the least empathetic statement a person could make. Yes, I have young children, and I learned that I knew nothing about parenting before having kids.
I’m pretty sure we sure be fighting a class war instead
Yeah same with pets. You have obligations people who don’t have can not understand! /S
Your hobby! don’t tell me you are doing it for me or something. Humanity would survive if you would not have reproduced.
This has gotta be bait.
You really out here trying to equate having a family with hobbies like knitting and golf? Wild take bro.
Unpopular opinion here (I am also a childfree person)
As much as I don’t want them, kids are the future of every society and we all suffer the consequences of a general societal parental inadequacy (the kids today will be our doctors, carers, drivers, etc)
So, while some places take it to a ridiculous extreme and act as if parents are just completely free of any duties, I do think that generally workers who have children, especially small children, should get certain benefits and have more relaxed hours to give them the space to be proper parents.
Of course in an ideal society all of us would have a significant amount of free time and we wouldn’t need to bother with making any special treatment for parents because we would all have the time we need to do the things we want and if those things are being parents then parents will have the time to both be parents and also do some of the other things they want. Currently we don’t live in that society and work is almost entirely consuming of our free time.
Also in an ideal society, choosing to keep an unintentional pregnancy would have about the same level of social stigma as choosing to abort one carries today in Oklahoma or Utah.
Also in an ideal society getting a child support order for anything more than half the cost of an abortion would be impossible without proof the pregnancy was intended by both parents, doctors refusing to sterilize anyone of reproductive age who wants to be sterilized wiuld be considered malpractice, and accessing any social services for expecting/new parents would be contingent on both parents enrolling in classes about effective parenting and early childhood development.
I could go on and on, but the two original sins of modern society that must be eliminated are the idea that having a baby is always a good thing, and the idea that the biological parents are magically equipped to be the best possible people to raise a child.
Might make for a decent prank.
tbh I think it’s a bit cruel. If it was real it would ruin your life thinking that your life could possibly be ruined must not be nice.
Yeah you’re right, even if you told them quickly for these moments it would be awful.
People love to argue about whether kids count as work and whether they’re voluntary but workers get old and retire. They need to be replaced. In our society we don’t subsidize this process, even though social reproduction is part of the overall capitalist mode of production. They’ve convinced you to provide a replacement labor force for them and they are not paying you for your labor. And then they even get you to feel bad about it.
Before going that far, workers should consider explaining less. If you tell people why you can’t work overtime, they will trivialize your outside commitments. If you “have another commitment” then they can’t argue with the substance.
Of course your boss could still threaten to fire you, if it’s the US with shitty labor law. But be smart, and stop providing the argumentative material to them.
Similarly, just don’t answer the phone or text messages on your day off. Don’t friend your boss on social media… If that’s your baseline, again, they have less information to use against you, and all of the pointless arguments simply stop happening.
This is all surprisingly easy to do if you plan it out in advance. The key point is that your boss is not your friend and the company is not your family.
Best thing my job ever did for me was give me a phone stiped to get a dedicated work phone. I work in government and it allows me to log into work systems without mixing with my personal stuff, allows me to work remote more easily, and keeps my main personal phone from being subject to Open Records requests.
But what it also means is I can leave the phone at the house and forget work when I’m off the clock. With previous jobs I couldn’t help myself and I’d read emails and shit I got over the weekend. Now I just turn off the work phone and enjoy my time off.
And if there’s a legit emergency that needs my attention, they do have my personal cell number, but simply having it as a separate number keeps them from sending bullshit to it.
Also, it’s handy for my boss to be able to send me a short Teams message or something they want me to take care of first thing Monday knowing that they’re not interrupting my weekend.
I would never allow any business, private, public, governmental or otherwise to dictate how I use my personal phone. If they’re not providing a company device, I’m not interacting with, messaging, logging in, synching, answering emails, etc. with my personal device. It’s simply a hard no.
They give me the money for the second phone which I have on a separate account and carrier from my personal phone.
Ya, I just leave the office whenever I need to. I think if asked I might bullshit something about fresh air breaks being in the safety training, but nobody asks.
One of the best parts of a job with a strong union culture.
If I’m not going to be able to get to work, that’s literally all I am required to tell them. At this point, management doesn’t even want to know why.
Or better yet, don’t have social media that’s connected to real world people. If nobody knows where you are based on photos nobody can call you out on “being sick” and cashing in a couple of sick days for a quick break.
So I’ve seen in a previous job where someone was complaining that a guy was leaving at 4pm to get his kid and how it was unfair just because he had a child.
What that person bitching and moaning didn’t see was that the parent was getting into work MUCH earlier than him, and would regularly log back on when getting home.
Sure there are some parents who take the piss, but there are also plenty of parents that put the hours in and more, they just need a little flexibility because childcare and the associated costs are a fucking joke and society isn’t set up to enable single income families.
I know of jobs where people with kids get to choose assignments more regularly if there’s travel involved because they have kids and because the managers have kids. Like, you no kid person, hit the road next week. I mean I get it, but it is discriminatory.
Raising a kid is work. If one of your co-workers had a random second job they had to keep and it paid nothing, how would your treat them?
“Raising a kid is work” Its also voluntary lol. You dont get to have sympathy for a decision.
My kids are more important than work or my coworkers. And so are my coworkers kids to them. Those who don’t have kids get to take off just the same for any issue at my work so maybe my life is too good for this meme
One could argue any number of hobbies or pets could have the same level of import to an individual and also require a similarly demanding schedule.
100% agree.
“Raising a kid is work” Its also voluntary lol.
That’s like saying payments on your car financing are voluntary.
Once you have made the decision the consequences are no longer voluntary.
the consequences are however due the decision that you chose voluntarily.
I mean somewhat a generalization. Still if you don’t want to empathize with the parent you still should empathize with the kid, you can’t just like leave the kid there unless you want to argue the kid should be taken away from this person which just feels cruel for both sides.
although that probs works with everyone having flexible hours which… I don’t think would even decrease profit too much? This seems more like a problem with the bosses anyways.
They chose to get that job. I did not choose to get discriminated against for not choosing that job.
Did they? Most pregnancies are voluntary, but not all
The pregnancy isn’t the fine point here.
Well you can bitch and moan all you want about breeders but the fact remains that their offspring will finance society as you age.
I am a parent myself and I see reproduction as the most egotistical thing you can do. At the same time those who do not are more or less leeches from a societal perspective.
I the end we are all free to chose paths but stop complaining about the choices others have made. Yours do not make you superior.
Leeches? You’re kidding right? I pay into the taxes which fund your child’s schools, WIC, libraries, Medicare and all of the other things which children benefit from, that I do not, because I do NOT have children. I’m the opposite of a leech, I contribute more and use less than most parents. You need people like me contributing monetarily, socially, and culturally and not using all of the services to make it all work. I’m not going to shit on people who have kids, because as you said we all make choices, but don’t for a second think you’re somehow superior because you made a different choice than me.
Money isn’t everything. Or rather: if there are no people left to work for your money you have nothing to contribute (but your own work). You need other people kids more than they need your (relatively small) monetary contribution.
Where on earth are you going with this. You’re replying as if I somehow think nobody should have kids. Nowhere did I say or even imply that, no did I denigrate those that choose to. I simply refuted that those who choose not to are leeches simply by their lack of offspring. That’s a dumb statement. No society on earth has everyone reproducing; that has never and will never be a thing. There are other ways to contribute to the collective good, and society as a whole that have nothing to do with having children. Yes, people need to reproduce for our species to succeed, and I respect those who choose to do so. That doesn’t make them superior though, and calling me a leech for choosing not to is asinine.
Yes and when you get old and stop working those kids will pay for you. You do realise that a declining population is problem for this reason, right?
You’re assuming I’m not making provisions for myself and will be reliant on the system of taxes for my wellbeing. A declining population is only a problem when the entire system is in shambles. There is more than enough money and resources for every person on this earth to live comfortably; we’re just busy throwing away food and spending wealth and resources bombing each other and preventing “unworthy” people from accessing basic necessities.
Don’t come at me as if I’m some child hating monster who thinks all parents are bad. I replied because you called me a leech for having the audacity to choose differently than you. I respect parents for the tough job they’ve taken on, especially in this day and age, but that doesn’t somehow make you superior. It takes a village, and not everyone in the village needs to reproduce to make it successful. Get off your high horse.
It literally is not. I will be dead.
Anti-natalists do not realize this, no.
stop complaining about the choices others have made. Yours do not make you superior.
those who do not [breed] are more or less leeches from a societal perspective.
Wow. I guess I missed the part where people without kids don’t have to pay taxes and just get free retirement…
Your taxes finance the retirement of the people currently retired. Your retirement is financed by kids who will work when you’re retired
Well when you get old and stop working those kids will pay back by paying taxes themselves. That is the part you missed.
So when I invest in the future by planting fruit trees I become A leech when I collect fruit off those trees?
their offspring will finance society
That is quite an assumption
They being people who breed
You read didn’t that right.
You conflate work and responsibilities. everyone has the latter, and the schedule juggling that comes with it.
I would treat them like a fucking idiot, because that is a terrible decision to have made… Your analogy really sucks here. I don’t think coworkers with kids are complete fucking idiots, but the hypothetical person in your comment is a complete fucking idiot.
Or maybe just band together and fight for more time off for everyone so you aren’t at the will of a few billionaires obsessed with you as slave labor?
Exactly thank you.
the truth is that youre both right. But most people who resd your comments will …read it…consider jt for a little while… and then do the most detrimental thing they can do for their freedoms when a situation like this arises in their lives which is either give up their free time for Our ‘beloved’ slavedrivers or theyll pretend they also have a kid.
Nothing will change sadly…
Oh that shit pissed me off so bad and smokers… I quit a job because they were going to move me across the country to fill a roll they could find a local because I was the single guy. I said no and they said I have “no choice” bad move, I have a choice.
Then they had 2 spots to fill, fucking dummies.
That “boss” went from senior director to basic manager in the next year for shit like this. Fuck you Adam.
to fill a roll
Oh! With custard I hope?
Was a server and used to take “fresh air” breaks. Some smokers were annoyed. Others completely understood.
Oh yeah… Parenthood… Real easy. We’re doing it for the work breaks.
This tweet is not advocating for removing the breaks for parents, it’s advocating for also giving the same breaks to everyone. Same as with smoke breaks.
It’s healthy to take small breaks every once in a while, and every worker should have access to them. You shouldn’t need to have a kid or an addiction to enjoy your breaks.
Hell, I myself take smoke breaks and I have never smoked.
So parents should get extra time off to make up for the fact that their “breaks” are often spent caring for their children.
In which case people will complain and say they should fake being parents to get the extra time off.
No. How you choose to spend your free time is your thing. Some people decided not to have kids, maybe even for that exact reason. Some people decided to have kids, even though they knew kids would take away their time. It’s just how everyone decides to spend their time, and there’s nothing wrong with it.
Caring for other people is not a “decision”, it is care. That’s like saying looking after an elderly parent or disabled family member is simply the way people wish to spend their free time.
Equity matters, not equality. Not everyone’s circumstances are the same, and if we have decided everyone deserves a break we need to realise those who spend their time caring for others are not getting the same opportunity for an actual break.
People should be able to take breaks and get time off regardless of addictions or dependents. Crazy concept.
But…it’s not a break. It’s because you have to take care of your child while you would really like to have some time just for yourself…like at work. Such a calm and relaxing environment. No you have to take your child from daycare, deal with it’s tantrums, prepare food, clean the kitchen, somehow bring your child to sleep and then, finally! If you are lucky you might have 1 hour free time before you fall asleep on the couch. Oh wait! What about the laundry? And shouldn’t you take a shower again? You don’t even remember when was the last time you showered. Time flies by so fast. Anyways you wake up at 3 am because your child is puking.
Trust me, with children you don’t “take breaks” from work. Work is the break.
Its time away from your employers needs.
How you choose to spend it is ykur call.
But once you have kids you have no choice. It’s either you have these “breaks” or not be able to work at all
The choice was having kids in the first place.
And having kids means you shouldn’t work?
Nobody is saying that. Just that people without kids should also have more time off work.
I think someone missed the point (i agree with you, of course)
But lemme guess “having children is the most rewarding thing in life”. In this day and age if you don’t know that’s what comes with having kids, you aren’t smart enough to have kids. Unfortunately for those of us who consciously decide to avoid all that shit, we are forced to pick up the slack because you made a choice without understanding the consequences.
Further, this is the childfree comm. Don’t like getting called out, ignore the fucking comm or block it.
If this community is only about circlejerk and amplifying your own views you are free to ban me.
I didn’t felt called out. Just wanted to incite some understanding and empathy.
Unfortunately for those of us who consciously decide to avoid all that shit, we are forced to pick up the slack because you made a choice without understanding the consequences.
But what’s your solution to this? Nobody should have children? Why sow envy and hatred instead of advocating for solutions where people with children are able to work as well?
What was the point of bitching about how much work having children are? What’s the solution?
It’s just venting. Do you want us coming into a parenting comm and deriding you for complaining about your kids?
But you did make a choice, and often, people without kids are viewed as the solution rather than pushing back against the system that forces you to need that solution. There’s stories of parents fully expecting childfree people to sacrifice their free time for the sake of parents as if they were obligate babysitters or able to cover at a job or whatever. We get to bitch and moan about that stuff. Just like you get to bitch and moan about the downsides of having children.
Good point
Collective child care and the abolition of the nuclear family?
its not even work “breaks”. Work was always easier than dealing woth the kid. If youre getting called out of work, sometging is obviously not gone to plan, and dealing with that adds more stress. Id rather just be unbothered at work.
This shaming shit is garbage. second or third time ive seen this childfree comm come up, this place is so lame. be childfree, do it. I was supposed to myself, but blaming parents and shit stirring is so fuckin stupid. This some reddit level garbage.
…BUT we clearly arent blaming parents .
We are blaming the billionairss and politicians who have structured our modern work hours and modern economies. Wot are you on about? Did I miss something?
That is not the tone of like half the comments I’m seeing, just in this post. A lot of “snarky” backbiting towards people speaking up for parenting needs. “You chose to be a parent, so why should you get special accomodations for that?”-type of attitudes.
Seriously nice response, anything to divide us, see they got people pissed at coworkers, next religion, sports team, neighborhood, school. Skull fuck the wealthy!!
No War But Class War.
Was a great saying when it was only used in reference to fighting literal wars.
These days it reeks of class reductionism and anti-intersectionality.
Theres a real peace that i feel every monday morning when i sit down at my desk at work
Your literacy needs work.
I remmeber reading a story about a lady or a dude who did this same thing.
They got elaborste with it too. They made it look like one of their nephews were actually their own child loool!
Unpopular opinion here (I am also a childfree person)
As much as I don’t want them, kids are the future of every society and we all suffer the consequences of a general societal parental inadequacy (the kids today will be our doctors, carers, drivers, etc)
So, while some places take it to a ridiculous extreme and act as if parents are just completely free of any duties, I do think that generally workers who have children, especially small children, should get certain benefits and have more relaxed hours to give them the space to be proper parents.
Of course in an ideal society all of us would have a significant amount of free time and we wouldn’t need to bother with making any special treatment for parents because we would all have the time we need to do the things we want and if those things are being parents then parents will have the time to both be parents and also do some of the other things they want. Currently we don’t live in that society and work is almost entirely consuming of our free time.
Unpopular opinion here (I am also a childfree person)
As much as I don’t want them, kids are the future of every society and we all suffer the consequences of a general societal parental inadequacy (the kids today will be our doctors, carers, drivers, etc)
So, while some places take it to a ridiculous extreme and act as if parents are just completely free of any duties, I do think that generally workers who have children, especially small children, should get certain benefits and have more relaxed hours to give them the space to be proper parents.
Of course in an ideal society all of us would have a significant amount of free time and we wouldn’t need to bother with making any special treatment for parents because we would all have the time we need to do the things we want and if those things are being parents then parents will have the time to both be parents and also do some of the other things they want. Currently we don’t live in that society and work is almost entirely consuming of our free time.
Unpopular opinion here (I am also a childfree person)
As much as I don’t want them, kids are the future of every society and we all suffer the consequences of a general societal parental inadequacy (the kids today will be our doctors, carers, drivers, etc)
So, while some places take it to a ridiculous extreme and act as if parents are just completely free of any duties, I do think that generally workers who have children, especially small children, should get certain benefits and have more relaxed hours to give them the space to be proper parents.
Of course in an ideal society all of us would have a significant amount of free time and we wouldn’t need to bother with making any special treatment for parents because we would all have the time we need to do the things we want and if those things are being parents then parents will have the time to both be parents and also do some of the other things they want. Currently we don’t live in that society and work is almost entirely consuming of our free time.
Kids are understandable. What (mildly) annoys me is the free pass for smoke breaks.
Id say its about the same.
UNO reverse card: Kids are a choice, smoking is an addiction.
But smoking is to a degree a choice. Tobacco isnt like heroin. You can quit it cold turkey . And YES I GET IT its a hard addiction to defeat , weve known this for like half a century now… but it can be defeated with enough time and patience away from tobacco.
But kids are not a choice you can or can not take care of once you have produced them. Personally I feel that the modern economy makes it so that EVERYONE should be discouraged from having kids cause the hours and pay that person has to work these days in most places is nonsensical. So I dont get why we STILL have so many cultures that continue to peer pressure people into having ‘band-aid babies’ or ‘young-love, straight-outta-college babies’ but thats just me. Only choice you have when youre having a child is to abort or not and to give them up to adoption or not. After that? Youre only options are ‘take care of them when you have the time to’ (break time) or ‘watch them destroy your life, your community , and their lives’ ’
You don’t “defeat” an addiction. You always will be an addict, just one that stopped using the substance.
Ah youre correct. Im wrong. Sorry.
Its more like you avoid the substance( like alcohol addiction or nicotine or whatever youre addicted to ) or the pracetice (whether that be gambling addiction or self-harming addiction or whatever) and find that it doesnt impact your life . You dont ever truly ‘defeat’ an addiction. You just significantly taper its impact to your life.
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Pretty sure hospitals keep some alcohol on hand in case a severe alcoholic is going through withdrawals as that can be deadly. They don’t keep cigarettes on hand. Unsure about other hard drugs. If a parent decided to quit parenting we call that abandonment or child abuse and put them in jail. These are not the same.
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Good, you shouldn’t get a break specifically for fostering an addiction.
Smoke or kids or the want to scratch your bunghole, you should be able to take whatever breaks you want as long as the work gets done.
Sure, but it’s pretty commonplace to offer smoke breaks with no equivalent breaks being offered to non smokers. It’s stupid as shit.
You’d be surprised how many breaks you can get if you just start taking them.
Truly, i do think it an intentional product of, from my limited perspective, the american education system - we’re trained against taking action, and instead to only ever dare to request and maybe potentially receive at the whim of whoever is in authority
Bathroom and hall passes, “dead lines” and due dates, raising hands to speak, etc
Some of it is certainly practical, but, the result is somebody getting mad at another for taking a break because they didnt have corpo-daddy say they could
If you want a break, and know the business’s or whoevers you care about’s goal wont fail if you did so, then be a free person who controls themselves, and take the break
Yeah, a lot of ‘smoke breaks’ aren’t officially sanctioned by the company. The smokers just take them, and what’s the company going to do about it?
I knew a guy at my old workplace who could just take unlimited breaks and thats what he did. They werent super long though. Like 20 or 30 minute breaks every 2 or 3 hours depending on what he felt like.
Felt like I was seeing the twilight zone when I saw him doing that…
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Just join them and stand outside for 5 min.
Just not downwind of the cancer-stench
That’s what I did at my last factory job. Go out on smoke breaks, walk around the parking lot until the break is over.
Nobody ever called me on it, but just in case I always had a vape I picked up off the side of the road ready to claim it was my reason for being out with the rest.
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Okay except smoking
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Can you put the empty vodka bottle down for a minute and type out an understandable response?
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But, as a rule, I don’t really like blowing smokers. Smoker cum legit tastes much worse than normal.
Exactly!
