whoops no this is UC Davis in 2011. the cop pepper spraying these nonviolent student protestors filed for worker’s compensation claiming “psychiatric damage” due to having his name released and won more than $38k USD in compensation.
Please be careful about posting this where Americans can see. The regime will lower their credit score and they’ll be barred from buying a house.
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My landlord (PBUH)
lmao
In dystopia SEE SEE PEE China, merely asking to see your social credit score will lower your social credit score.
In communist China you can’t buy a house because you give up 80% of your paycheck to pay your billionaire real estate investor’s mortgage
For anyone who wasn’t around, this was I think during Occupy (the social movement demanding economic reforms in the wake of the 2007 economic collapse. Obama said “lol no” and crushed it with overwhelming force". Those kids were just sitting on the sidewalk doing ineffectual nonviolence stuff. The cop just walked back and forth down the line spraying them in the face over and over. UC Davis caught a lot of flack for basically torturing students for having the gall to ask for simple reforms but nothing really changed. Probably seems quaint given the escalation of police violence in the last decade.
He also got paid $38k for doing this. Source
Not to mention the cops on roofs with sniper rifles aimed at Occupy leaders
“Why do you guys hate the US so much?”
Because I have to live here. Every. Single. Day.
“So… you want this alphabetically, chronologically, or by magnitude? In any case, grab a drink because we’re gonna be here a while”
I’d link a copy of Killing Hope
I like to tell them to read settlers
Oh I haven’t seen this before, thanks for sharing!
I’d recommend reading wretched of the earth first.
Oh, uhh, good to know those implicated know about it.
Apparently it’s because Bin Laden had it on his harddrive that they seized/stole during the raid that killed him. And it’s not exactly like the CIA is all that fuzzed about people knowing they did some terrible shit during the cold war, since they just claim that it was a different time and that they have changed (or libs will make that argument, because they have a religious need to believe that the CIA is now the good guys after Trump yelled at them).
How recent would it have to be before a substantial number tunes into the idea that this is how they are? Or is it only when it affects them and they happens to not affect the individual personally?
One must quote it from memory while north korean anti-american music blasts in the background
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yea I wanted to post this photo and had to come up with a title
We really just need a standard All-In-One response to 10,000 dead tanks washed down canals with bodies pro-democracy whatever the fuck.
Just something with all the relevant sources, refuting all the bullshit, and nothing gets posted but that. we’re wasting so much time responding to this bullshit every single day, to people who believe in an unfalsifiable fairy tale based not on history but a religious conviction that china-bad and anything that counteracts that must be a deception regardless of source or content.
r/The_Deprogram does a great job of this and similar topics
so many anti-communist arguments are copy paste, our answers should be too lol
You can’t break someone’s religious faith with factual evidence
You should try anyway tho
You’re never arguing to win over the debatebro dumbass. You’re arguing for all the lurkers that also see your post.
There might be better, but the RedSails article seems solid.
RedSails
RedSails
Nice try tankie, thinking I wouldn’t notice the favourite colour of your perfidious ilk right in the name of the website!
I do find it hilarious Roderic Day named his Communist Website after the Pirate TV show BlackSails (which was pretty good and leftwing though)
I’m sorry, you are right that there is oppression in the US, but to suggest that this incident is somehow equivalent to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, where people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains, is absolutely disgusting.
The term “false equivalence” doesn’t even begin to describe this. The disrespect for what happened is so reprehensible that it completely invalidates any point you might be trying to make. People died in Tiananmen Square.
I agree that this would be a false equivalence. But, the title is a form of persuasion. By saying “this was done by an evil villain” and then saying “no, this was done by who you thought to be the hero” the post can catch some liberals off-guard before a defense response kicks in and this could begin their path leftwards.
video of tank man NOT getting run over, followed by a bunch of clips of American police cars running over protestors
Note, those tanks are leaving the square.
According to the western narrative, those tanks just spent hours gunning down unarmed protesters, then crushing their corpses into liquid.
And then stop to argue with a single dude trying to block them from leaving.
People did die. Loyal members of the comunist crade died at the hands of liberals paid by the US government. It is a sad moment were we should remember just how evil the US really is.
Ah, I see you all planned some astroturfing in advance. Very credible.
having sources is astroturfing, not having sources is evidence of being correct. of course.
Even if a corporation paid for that, a list of links would still not qualify as astroturfing
No, but we do have reading groups, encourage each other to expand our knowledge, and post useful and interesting links to each other if they’re interested. You know, like most people do, like a community does.
Also: imagine being proud deliberate ignorance.
Jesus christ. I wish you were a bot. Bots actually have an excuse for being unable to exceed their programming.
ad hominem
You fuckers literally cannot fucking help yourself holy shit.
calling ad hominem when someone isn’t even making an argument is
Aw fuck oh shit oh fuck
Dumbass
Not only is fallacy reffing stupid, it’s not even an example of ad hominem, it’s just an insult.
Ad hominem: “You’re wrong because you’re a doo doo head.”
Not ad hominem: “You’re a doo doo head and you’re wrong.”
Also not ad hominem: “You’re a doo doo head because you’re wrong.”
Tinyman Squirrel noooooo
Babybrain
Nah, it just comes up a lot. No worries
Fucking daily. It’s infuriating. It’s so frustrating. Why are they obsessed with a completely absurd fantasy about this one specific incident? Catholics aren’t this obsessive with the crucifixion.
people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains
no they weren’t. about 300 people died in clashes outside the square, more than half of which were PLA and police.
The Myth of Tiananmen and the price of a passive press | Columbia Journalism Review
The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie. | Mango Press
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist
Of course, no one died in Tiananmen Square.
You should ask yourself the following question: Why does Tiananmen Square keep getting dragged up by western media, and meanwhile we never hear anything about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangju_Uprising
Try to think of a reason why.
(And no, the answer is not “well ackshullly South Korea is a fReE dEmOcRaCY now so it doesn’t matter”)
Wtf this is literally George Foreman 1989
I thought you were gonna link to a source but instead you’re linking slam poetry you absolute bozo
responding to the Columbia Journalism Review article (by the WaPo’s Beijing bureau chief who was in the square) with an unsourced tone poem inspired by Jorjor Well, you don’t look like a shit-eating clown at all
The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
i feel like this essay crystalized a lot of what i was trying to figure out at the time when i first read it. completely changed the way i think about brainwashing and propaganda. i think you might’ve been the one that posted it then, too.
the Tiananmen Square Massacre, where people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains
sure i’ll read your source
According to The Independent, a secret British cable from the time alleged
which leads to
Written on 5 June 1989 by Sir Alan Donald, the then-British ambassador to China… The ambassador said his account of the massacre of the night of 3-4 June was based on information from a source who had spoken to a “good friend” in China’s State Council
so the evidence for this claim (“people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains”) is literally just someone said that someone else said hearsay passed through a game of telephone.
literally incredible.
And the evidence that this didn’t happen, in addition to the accounts of western reporters physically present in the square who said no one died and there wasn’t much violence in the square, is the like thousands of people who were students in the square at the time and don’t understand why Americans are so obsessive about it.
so the evidence for this claim (“people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains”) is literally just someone said that someone else said hearsay passed through a game of telephone.
I went down an internet rabbit hole the other night trying to find the true source of the g*re images most commonly attributed to events in Tiananmen Square. I made like no progress after an hour, but one thread that stuck out to me was on the subreddit /r/MorbidReality, where a mod said the images were proven true by a reliable source, but their source was just a link to the search results from typing “Tiananmen Square” into gettyimages lol Like not even a specific image, just the landing page for searching a keyword on a stock image site…
If the proof of burden is on those alleging a massacre of (tens of) thousands of civilians, you would think they would do more than share like a small handful of images, most of which come with no easily accessible or verifiable context/explanation. it’s so weird.
edit cause the thread is still new-ish: if a user can shed light on the original source(s) of the images I’m describing can you please share so i can find intellectual closure on them?
As long as the Chinese government censors the topic, it’s hard to know what exactly happened and what didnt. We are left with political statements and third-hand “knowledge”. Which isnt ideal.
i don’t see that as a reason to spread unfounded rumors of outlandish atrocities that are flatly contradicted by the evidence available. doing so is also not ideal, in my opinion.
Definitely. I dont even know where these rumours originate from, but I’ve heard them often enough online and a lot of people seem to believe them although even western-based encyclopedia etc clearly state the opposite.
it originates in western “news” sources such as
that repeat old rumors and heavily imply they’re a more reliable account than all the other evidence we have, or
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/30/ma-jian-tiananmen-square-remembered
that present an actual work of fiction and imply that it’s an eyewitness statement, and which the person i originally replied to tried to use as evidence.
i think a more interesting question is why do people fall for it? are the journalists doing this intentionally or are they essentially also part of the audience, eagerly seeking out spurious evidence of outlandish atrocities in order to protect themselves from having to confront their own cognitive dissonance?
The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
Although the uprising is still taboo in China, everyone who was there on the square remembers. At the end of Beijing Coma, the protagonist Dai Wei recalls returning to the place where, a few hours before, his friend had been mown down by a tank. He remembers seeing her flattened corpse in the distance and noticing that: “As if refusing to be crushed, the flesh and bones had risen a fraction from the tarmac.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/30/ma-jian-tiananmen-square-remembered
Although the uprising is still taboo in China
No it’s not. No one cares and folks don’t understand why Americans are obsessed with it.
At the end of Beijing Coma, the protagonist
beijing coma is a novel. it is literally a work of fiction.
So is Gulag Archipelago, doesn’t stop libs treating Solzhenitsyn’s drivel like it’s holy scripture
not only do you not read our links, you don’t even read your own. embarrassing.
My response with tons of sources, another thread, someone’s other post, and you choose only to respond to this single comment not by refuting their complete rebuttal of your argument but by linking a new source with no comment as if this is something you can do, like you don’t have to address the thing you just said that was proven to be complete nonsense. Do you actually believe your own points?
As with your poetry nonsense, we have to reply to the new source you cited too or you won’t get it (you still probably won’t). And from Amnesty International! The group that upheld the faked Iraq baby testimony used to push for the war in Iraq; the group that was advertised by the CIA; the group whose Board of Directors is filled with World Economic Forum hacks (Christopher Schlaeffer, Anjhula Mya Singh Bais, Alexandra Durbak) and a former CIA (NED) employee (Louisa Greve) Most of the article is uncited hearsay as per (their only source is two accounts, a quota which has already been met and exceeded by the sources we provided). Here’s a few provable lies in the article:.
pro-democracy protestors
with authorities banning all mention of the protest even today
complete and utter lie, we can even look at Chinese state media mentioning and addressing it
CPC News: Centennial Events of the Communist Party of China
People’s Daily: Memorabilia of the Communist Party of China 1989
China.org.cn: China Rejects US Statement on 6-4 Incident
China Daily - Tiananmen Massacre a Myth
China Daily: What’s Wrong With Our Liberal Studies Courses?
(all accessed through baidu)
there is no official death toll
Already proved this wrong in my other comment
I am begging you to go to Beijing and ask people what they think of the June 4 incident.
This is literally just the same kind of shit with anonymous claims and no sources, we have photos from the square right the morning after with no signs of such a large scale massacre, do you believe the Chinese have some unnatural power to clean up the square and ensure no photographic evidence of the massacre actually exists?
they probably do, many would rather construct a world conspiracy with no sense or evidence than leave the liberal world framework
Oh shut up.
They spent so much money trying to cover this up/bury the picture
lol thanks for reminding me
Documents reveal UC Davis spent $175,000 to erase pepper-spray incident from Internet
That’s more than three teachers salaries
Not professors, that’s just slightly more than my boss’s salary
Yeah, but they hardly mint new professors in the US anymore. It’s just assistant professors and post grads filling out the ranks.
I was thinking like… primary school teachers or something.
And then that cop ended up becoming a meme.
newly uncovered photo of authoritarian tankies shooting anti war protestors
CW death
spoiler
the difference in the accepted narrative between kent state and tiananmen is WILD
“the poor untrained soldiers were afraid for their safety. an officer might have given an order to fire or an order might have gotten garbled. what a tragic misunderstanding ”
vs
“so what if the protesters set a pla vehicle on fire and dragged the soldiers out and hanged them, the army shouldn’t have been there in the first place!! ”